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Old 01-13-2013, 09:04 AM
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Default C52 set - the Canadian T218s

We've had a few threads of late about the T218 set, but I wanted to start one on the Canadian C52 Imperial Tobacco set.

All of the cards in this set are also in the T218 set, though the C52's do have numbers 1-100 on the back. Some of the numbers are duplicated though; this is the list we developed in a previous thread:

1 Jack Johnson BOX
2 James Jefferies BOX
3a Clarence B. Tippett TRK
3b Tommy Murphy BOX
4a James P. Sullivan TRK
4b Dick Hyland BOX
5a Walter Bursch TRK
5b Ad Wolgast BOX
6a Budd Goodwin TRK
6b Unk Russell BOX
7a Frank Riley TRK
7b Battling Nelson BOX
8a H.E. Gissing TRK
8b Packy McFarland BOX
9 James Crowley TRK
10 S.P. Gilles TRK
11 Andrew Glarner TRK
12 Battling Hurley BOX
13 Melvin W. Sheppard (side face view) TRK
14 Lou Manley TRK
15 Ray C. Ewry TRK
16 Frank C. Irons TRK
17 Jim Stewart BOX
18 Robert Cloughen TRK
19 W.C. Robbins TRK
20 Thomas O'Callaghan TRK
21 Harry Hillman TRK
22 Martin Sheridan TRK
23 C.M. Daniels (seated) TRK
24 Johhny Coulon BOX
25 Platt Adams TRK
26a Geo. J. Obermeyer TRK
26b Harry Porter TRK
27 Tom Collins TRK
28 Lawson Robertson TRK
29 Paul Pilgrim TRK
30 Jack "Twin" Sullivan BOX
31 Jack Eller TRK
32 John Flanagan (full lgth) TRK
33a Emilo Lunghi TRK
33b M.J. McGrath TRK
34 Jem Driscoll BOX
35 Eddie Walsh BOX
36 Richard Frizelle TRK
37 Chas. J. Bacon Jr. TRK
38 Dan Ahearne TRK
39 Owen Moran BOX
40 Willie Lewis BOX
41 Billy West BOX
42 Johnny Marto BOX
43 Jimmy Gardiner BOX
44 Harry Lewis BOX
45 Stanley Ketchell BOX
46 Phil McGovern BOX
47 Walter Lee TRK
48 Abe Attell BOX
49 Sailor Burke BOX
50a Bert Keyes BOX
50b Jimmy Walsh BOX
51 Dave Deshler BOX
52 Fred Welsh BOX
53 Matty Baldwin BOX
54 Gusta Ljungstrom TRK
55 Johnny Hayes TRK
56 Ralph Johnstone AVI
57 J.B.Moisant AVI
58 Arch Hoxey AVI
59 Chas. K. Hamilton AVI
60 Fred Herreshoff GOLF
61 Alex Smith GOLF
62 Findlay Douglas GOLF
63 Gil Nicholls GOLF
64 Jerome Keogh
65 Charles Eyton BOX
66 Al Delmaont BOX
67 Patsey Kline BOX
68 Frankie Conley BOX
69 Frank Klaus BOX
70 Tommy O'Toole BOX
71 Johnny Summers (sitting) BOX
72 Johnny Summers (standing) BOX
73 Thure Johansson TRK
74 Abel Kiviat TRK
75 E.J. Sweeney TRK
76 Percy Sellen TRK
77 J. J. McEntee TRK
78 Hans Holmer TRK
79 Edward P Weston TRK
80 Fred Meadows TRK
81 John Daly (port) POOL
82 Charles Weston POOL
83 Willie Hoppe (portrait) POOL
84 George Sutton (F) POOL
85 George Low
86 Jack Hobens
87 James Rector TRK
88 Harry Cline POOL
89 Willie Hoppe (playing)
90 Thomas Hueston POOL
91 Alfred de Oro POOL
92 George Sutton (Full) POOL
93 Ora Morningstar (F) POOL
94 Albert Cutler (F) POOL
95 Albert Cutler (port) POOL
96 William Heins BOWL
97 Calvin Demarest POOL
98 Alex Dunbar BOWL
99 Glenn Riddell BOWL
100 R. Johns (F) BOWL

Does anyone have others not on this list, maybe other duplicate numbers, so that the whole 153 card T218 set is represented in the C52 set?

The numbers really surprise me - just from PSA pop reports, 6,394 T218s have been graded, but only 78 C52s. Does this mean they just haven't been graded, or are these 80x scarcer??

I'd love to hear from others who are interested in the C52 cards - is anyone else working on the set? I'm missing the following (known) numbers, so if anyone could help me with any of these, please let me know!

4b Dick Hyland BOX
5b Ad Wolgast BOX
6a Budd Goodwin TRK
8b Packy McFarland BOX
12 Battling Hurley BOX
23 C.M. Daniels (seated) TRK
50a Bert Keyes BOX
50b Jimmy Walsh BOX

And I have extras of these three as trade bait for anything on the above list:
46 Phil McGovern BOX
58 Arch Hoxey AVI
84 George Sutton (F) POOL

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Old 01-13-2013, 10:30 AM
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I'm glad I pulled my C52's out. I just found a Johnny Marto PSA 3 I didn't know I had and a missed typed #42 for Jimmy Gardner.

I have seventeen graded and raw cards. They don't come up often.

I have two raw Owen Moran's I would trade for cards I need!
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I had a request to see the Attell card, so here is a scan. It's pretty smashed and probably one of the worst-conditioned cards in my near set, but it's the only Attell I've come across so far!
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its is rough but still a great looking card. Very jealous.
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I'm glad I pulled my C52's out. I just found a Johnny Marto PSA 3 I didn't know I had and a missed typed #42 for Jimmy Gardner.
RBrown -
Are you saying that you have a C52 Jimmy Gardner that is number 42? I'd love to see that. I'm not sure we've ever seen any strange variations in this set. I've seen it with the normal #43 on it.

Scott - It wouldn't surprise me to find that the C52s are 80x - 100x more scarce than the regular T218s. They are really tough to come by. We didn't even have half of the checklist just a year ago. There are probably still a few that we don't know about. My spreadsheet of T218/C52 front/back combos is pretty much done if you want another copy. (If you get it, you'll see that I have 3 of the C52 cards that you're looking for - they could probably be pried away from me ....)
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No my fat fingers miss typed the wrong number for Jimmy
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Hello everyone,
I'm new in this forum
Being more interested in old non-sports cards, maybe could I help members with a few C52 cards in my collection for quite a while
Not interested in trading, at least for now
Please send PM and I'll post pictures upon your request
Here they are:

7 - Battling Nelson
30 - Jack (Twin) Sullivan
31 - Jack Eller
34 - Jem Driscoll
37 - Chas J. Bacon Jr
39 - Owen Moran
40 - Willie Lewis
48 - Abe Attell
64 - Jerome Keogh

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In reply to a request made by a member (as honest pictures as possible)

update:
The person eventually interested wrote me this:
"Thank you for posting the pic, the card is very comparable to the one I have so not much of an upgrade for me so I will pass on this one, I have no doubt somebody will snatch it up soon, again thank you and good luck!"
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Thanks Scott for a couple very nice C52s.

I am looking to buy/trade for other C52s of track and field athletes.

Best,
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Default scans of C52s available for trade

I have the following track and field and looking to buy/trade for the rest: 22, 23, 27, 31, 38, 50, 54, 57, 59, 76, 77, 80.

I have the following available to trade or sell: 27 38 76 77

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Default C52 Jeffries.......

only one I have
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Default c-52s to swap and needed

I too am working on the C52 set. The checklist I have is identical to what Scott posted to start this thread. Has there been any additions to the list in the last 2 years? I need the following: 8b McFarland 24 34 35 51 53 60 64 82 83 85 86 88 89 91. I have the following, mainly low grade to swap: 14 22 46 47 56 58 69 70 71. Also looking for all sorts of oddball cards and have some to swap. You can check out all my lists on the OldBaseball.com website or Google Mike Rich wantlist.
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A few of us have been able to swap C-52s recently. If anyone has some to swap, let us know.
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I'm always looking for a Jack Johnson if there is an available one! Just PM or email to me at jwondowski@aol.com.

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Fantastic card, Adam - Jem sure would fit in nicely with the rest of his sharp friends from my near set!
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Adam,

I slabbed that Driscoll a number of years ago!
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Good timing for this thread - I just had a bunch of my raw C52's graded by PSA, so my registry set now contains 74 of the 109 (known) cards from the set. (I have 28 others but they are in poor condition, and I didn't think they were worth the cost of getting them graded.)

Link to PSA C52 registry set

Nice to know there are some other set collectors out there on this set - I will go through my extras (I don't have too many but probably 8-10 maybe?) and see what I've got. My want list for my set is:

4b Dick Hyland BOX
5b Ad Wolgast BOX
6a Budd Goodwin TRK
8b Packy McFarland BOX
12 Battling Hurley BOX
50a Bert Keyes BOX
50b Jimmy Walsh BOX

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Mr. Driscoll and his adult diaper are on the way to MA as I write this.
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Mr. Driscoll and his adult diaper are on the way to MA as I write this.
Thanks Adam - Jem (should be spelled "Gem" based on the condition!) and his Depends will find a good home in Boston...
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Hi - looking to reactivate this thread.

C52 -collecting track and field, I have 11 13 22 23 31 38 54 57 59 75 76 77 79 80 87 and McGrath( number is gone)

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Good idea for the bump, Ed!

I'm still looking for any of these C52's if anyone has any of them - I can offer other C52's in trade...

4b Dick Hyland BOX
5b Ad Wolgast BOX
6a Budd Goodwin TRK
8b Packy McFarland BOX
12 Battling Hurley BOX
50a Bert Keyes BOX
50b Jimmy Walsh BOX
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Ed, I have a McGrath with no paper loss if you are trying to upgrade. Mine is not in great condition to say the least, but it is all there. PM or respond if you have any interest.

Scott, sorry nothing I can do for your want list. Are you collecting the entire C52 run?image.jpg
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Scott, sorry nothing I can do for your want list. Are you collecting the entire C52 run?Attachment 219358
Thanks anyways Peter - yes, those are the few cards I have left to complete the set. I was lucky enough to come across a couple of big lots of them years ago. Not expecting to find the remaining cards overnight since they're so hard to find, but it'll happen at some point I'm sure!
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Resurfacing this thread, as there was a large lot of 41 C52s that sold on eBay last night (ID'd as T218s). Based on the price, it looked like a couple of other people realized what they were as well.

Did anyone from here end up with the group? I only needed a handful from the group and based on the rough condition of many of them, I didn't go too strong on the lot. But I'd love to see who may have been the high bidder, and if that person might be willing to help me on the few cards I need.

Glad to see there was some interest in this set at least, based on the bidding!
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I put in what I considered a strong bid but it turned out I wasn't even close. A really cool pickup for someone's collection.
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I figured / hoped my $289 bid would be more than enough to get them based on the rough condition, but two people disagreed with me. Hopefully I can find the few cards I need for my set at some point!
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I missed that lot, but I got my C52 Johnson in exactly the same manner about a year ago. It was a lot of about 15 low grade C52s listed as T218.


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I ended up winning the lot. I had about 30 or so cards from the set prior to that lot so I'll see what I need when I have them in hand. Definitely will have some duplicates.

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Nice score. I'm super jealous.

I have Hamilton, Sellen, and Sweeney if anyone needs them for their sets. I'll trade them for other C52s if needed.
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I ended up winning the lot. I had about 30 or so cards from the set prior to that lot so I'll see what I need when I have them in hand. Definitely will have some duplicates.

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Thanks Rhett - glad to see it went to a board member! PM on the way.....

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I am down to needing 15 of the 109 C52s: 8B McFarland 24 34 35 51 53 60 64 82 83 85 86 88 89 91.
I have 14 22 23 47 56 58 69 available to swap. All have creases. I also have other sports items to swap in all sports.
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I have made some progress since I first posted on this forum, current wantlist is below.

C52 - I need 3a Clarence B. Tippett, 5a Walter Bursch; 7a Frank Riley; 8a H.E. Gissing; 9 James Crowley; 10 S.P. Gilles; 20 Thomas O'Callaghan; 21 Harry Hillman; 26b Harry Porter; 27 Tom Collins; Paul Pilgrim; 32 John Flanagan (full lgth); 33a Emilo Lunghi; 33b M.J. McGrath; 36 Richard Frizellel; 37 Chas. J. Bacon Jr.; 55 Johnny Hayes; 74 Abel Kiviat; 78 Hans Holmer

Mike, congrats on getting within 15!

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Thanks to Rhett for making a trade with me to help me out with finishing off this set! I'm now only 2 cards away from the finish line (of known C52's):

4b Dick Hyland BOX
8b Packy McFarland BOX

If anyone has these available, let me know! Even if they aren't duplicates for you, maybe I can make a trade in your favor to help me finish this off??

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Does anybody have a scan or source for the Packey McFarland cards existence? I'm working on the C52 set casually as an extension of the T218 master set i'm building. Between the PSA pop report, friends in the hobby, auctions and my own cards this is the only one I've never seen or heard of anyone actually having that's on the current checklist.

The cards that have 2 fronts for 1 card number do seem to be even tougher than the others, and I'd imagine there's a couple others out there that haven't even been checklists yet.
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Does anybody have a scan or source for the Packey McFarland cards existence? I'm working on the C52 set casually as an extension of the T218 master set i'm building. Between the PSA pop report, friends in the hobby, auctions and my own cards this is the only one I've never seen or heard of anyone actually having that's on the current checklist.

The cards that have 2 fronts for 1 card number do seem to be even tougher than the others, and I'd imagine there's a couple others out there that haven't even been checklists yet.
Here's the scan of mine, so I can confirm this, and I believe I know of at least one other complete set besides mine. So it certainly does exist!
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Here's the scan of mine, so I can confirm this, and I believe I know of at least one other complete set besides mine. So it certainly does exist!
Thanks for showing! A complete set is one heck of an achievement
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Thanks for showing! A complete set is one heck of an achievement
Thanks - they're definitely hard to come by, but often people who have them don't list them as such, so it's the searching which can take a while. Mine range from cards with holes in them to PSA 8 - gotta take what you can find with most of these!
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Thanks - they're definitely hard to come by, but often people who have them don't list them as such, so it's the searching which can take a while. Mine range from cards with holes in them to PSA 8 - gotta take what you can find with most of these!
One of my favorite sets. Beautiful artwork, very scarce to find in any grade but not expensive. Iíve been picking up low grade examples for under $10, less when I can find them listed as T218ís or something else. Iím up to 21 now but canít imagine achieving a full set. I donít think Iíve seen more than 10-15 examples of any single card.
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This thread has not been posted to in a few years. I know many of us have stalled on it. I am now down to needing the last dozen known varieties:
C-52 Canadian Version of T-218 NEED: 24 51 53 60 64 82 83 85 86 88 89 91
Boxers, Golfers and Billiards only. Track & Field complete.
Dupes available to swap: 14 22 23 47 56 58 69
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A couple of things to add...

First, I also bought most of my C52s from a gentleman in Canada. I’m not sure if that adds any credence to the C52s are a Canadian issue theory but I figured I’d add that.

Also, I’ve never seen any discussion of back color variations but has anyone else noticed? About a third of my backs are white but most are brown. I don’t *think* this is due to aging as it looks like genuine paper stock differences to me. I could be wrong. Thoughts?

Here’s two Sellen cards with different color backs:

6-F3-CE88-E-9178-46-F7-B079-F3112-F1-BC177

And more...

876975-A1-35-EB-47-B6-BBE0-059-B59-E60-A76

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