Its not just moser/pwcc...more trimmers exposed

[robkas68]

I would dispute that the card doctors are widely known. They may be known in some advanced circles, but some of the individuals named have thousands of positive feedbacks on ebay meaning that there are lots of collectors that don’t know. I can say I did not know everyone on the list. I even made 3 purchases from one on the list (not Moser) (the 3 totaled $216 all bgs and may be fine, but who knows).

However, I am not sure knowing names helps that much. Twenty years ago you could just name the 10-12 dealers you would not do business with. Today with the internet and auction houses you are dealing with literally thousands of individuals. Outside the obvious, buyer beware, deal too good to be true, etc., there are only two defenses. The intermediaries (ebay, HA, REA, PWCC, etc.) and the TPGs. Only time will tell if any of the intermediaries are directly involved or just terribly indifferent. What is clear is the intermediaries and TPGs are not very good at their jobs right now. Eventually, if you are not good at your job, people find someone better at it.

Rob Kasenter

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by robkas68

I would dispute that the card doctors are widely known. They may be known in some advanced circles, but some of the individuals named have thousands of positive feedbacks on ebay meaning that there are lots of collectors that don’t know. I can say I did not know everyone on the list. I even made 3 purchases from one on the list (not Moser) (the 3 totaled $216 all bgs and may be fine, but who knows).

However, I am not sure knowing names helps that much. Twenty years ago you could just name the 10-12 dealers you would not do business with. Today with the internet and auction houses you are dealing with literally thousands of individuals. Outside the obvious, buyer beware, deal too good to be true, etc., there are only two defenses. The intermediaries (ebay, HA, REA, PWCC, etc.) and the TPGs. Only time will tell if any of the intermediaries are directly involved or just terribly indifferent. What is clear is the intermediaries and TPGs are not very good at their jobs right now. Eventually, if you are not good at your job, people find someone better at it.

Rob Kasenter

Fair enough, but the auction houses and ebay sellers who have taken their cards for years know damn well who they are, I believe. $$$$$ trumps all. There are plenty of enablers.

[The Nasty Nati]

I wonder if these trim doctors have any connection with the T206 auto frauds. And what ever happened to that?

[BobbyVCP]

Yes there are some bad people out there and they are known. But they have ways of getting around the system of course. I am sure they have lots of other people submitting for them. If they really want to stay in business there really is no stopping them.

The only way to stop them is the the TPG's have to do a better job and be stricter on their measurement standards. How hard is it to make up a metal jigs and if the card fits in it then it is too small and should not get a numerical grade. Seems to me that most of cards that just got by the TPG were mostly trimmed and cleaned up. I am willing to bet they did not even bother to measure them. Guess they never thought it possible that someone would need to trim down a modern card.

To many cards in the queue and not enough graders so they are being pushed to move the cards through the system as fast as they can. Sounds like steps are being missed and scandals are happening.

[swarmee]

Did VCP remove eBay buyer data recently? I know that information was helping the Blowout Detective Agency (BODA) connect some of these dots. If it's a temporary glitch, it would be nice to see it return.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Did VCP remove eBay buyer data recently? I know that information was helping the Blowout Detective Agency (BODA) connect some of these dots. If it's a temporary glitch, it would be nice to see it return.

It’s still gone. Why??

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It’s still gone. Why??

Strange coincidence especially since Bobby just posted?

[SAllen2556]

Has there been any comment from any of the owners of these doctored cards who have contacted PSA, and what PSA's response has been?

You would think the people in charge over at PSA would want to get on top of this as soon as possible. Even a statement claiming that these cards represent only a small percentage of the total number of graded cards, blah, blah, blah. The silence from PSA is becoming deafening isn't it ?

And now with the elementary schools getting out for the summer, a whole new batch of graders is likely being hired. PSA, at the very least, is going to have to modify their training for this year's kids.

[shagrotn77]

Originally Posted by calvindog

It’s still gone. Why??

You're obviously reading this thread, Bobby. What's the deal?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by shagrotn77

You're obviously reading this thread, Bobby. What's the deal?

He's from Hawaii where it's still the middle of the night, let's give him a chance.

[LuckyLarry]

FINALLY I know what BODA means

Originally Posted by swarmee

Did VCP remove eBay buyer data recently? I know that information was helping the Blowout Detective Agency (BODA) connect some of these dots. If it's a temporary glitch, it would be nice to see it return.