There is rare, and then why bother?

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Posted By: david

In Barry's 19th century type review in VCBC he characterized a few issues that fall into: 'they are so rare why bother category.' What N, E, T, H, W and -UNC,issues fall into this category? And what issues would fall into the next category, buy it when you see it because you probably wont have another chance.

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Posted By: Fred C

Alpha Engravings

This is a neat question.

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Posted By: fkw

T231 Fan Cigarettes

Only 2 collectors max can have an example..... and one has to be Leon

BTW anyone ever find out where the Bigbee card is now???

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Posted By: Bob

E135 1911 Zeenut Bohen. Only one known to exist (although I might bet that if another exists, Macrae owns it) and it is trimmed all the way down to the player's body image.

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Posted By: David Smith

I am biased (since I own 16 different) but I think the 1928 Star Player Candy cards would fall into the "buy them when you can find them category". I also think the Curtis Ireland Candy cards and the Kalamazoo Bats cards with the redemption offer would also fall into this category because both were meant to be turned in for prizes. Finally, the large size Gypsy Queens would probably also fall into this category.

I know if I had the money, these are some of the cards I would be trying to buy.

Just my two cents.

David

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Posted By: Denny Walsh

Any T200 Premium Card! I've actually only seen 2 of them. i know a Board Member has one, but i can't remember who has it!?

Life's Grand,
Denny Walsh

"Merry Christmas"

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Posted By: leon

Hey David
I was hoping a few more folks would have chimed in but I guess with the holidays folks are out doing more important stuff. As a collector of "rarity" I do think it would be impossible to go after certain sets. Unless a full, or almost full, set turns up then there are many that would be either impossible to complete or nearly impossible. A few that come to mind.....

D303 Mothers Bread (I don't think there is a full set known)
D380- Clements (I doubt there is a full set)
D381- Fleischmans/Fergusons (maybe Larry Frisch (rip) had a set=?)
D382- Tarzan Bread (I doubt a full set is known)

E107 (none complete but a few within 10-15 or so)
E123- Curtis Ireland (don't know of any complete but there could be 1-2)
E136/E137 (in total this would be close to impossible)
E221 (I think Mark M is complete but this would be tough to complete, I have 2 of 5:))
E222 (see E221)
E223 (one board member has most but I doubt anyone else has more than 10-20)
E224 ( not impossible but I only know 1 collector complete on type 1 and missing 1 on type 2)
E300 (not sure but I doubt there are too many full sets)

M117- (I doubt a full set is known)

N175 small (I doubt any are complete but there are probably a few within 10-15)
N175 large (I know of one collector missing 1 to be complete...I think "9" is complete..but could be off by 1-2)
N321- SF Hess minor league- color (doubt any are complete...though there could be 1-2)
N333- Newsboy League (I doubt any are complete)
N338-1 SF Hess minor league- sepia (Doubt any are complete)
N338-2 SF Hess major league (probably the most doable fo SF Hess but not too many complete, if any)
N403 Yum Yum (doubt any complete but know of one collector that is over half way)
N690 Four Base Hits or Kalamazoo Bats (none complete that I am aware of)


T208- (I think there is probably 1-2 complete or close to it)
T231- (who knows....I am half way there to known ones, 1 of 2)


Most of the ones above are so rare that they are mostly in the "why bother" column.....As a type collector, and as such only need a single card from each series, this is great stuff....
regards and happy holidays....

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Posted By: Joe D.

if you have more than one, you have more than many.

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Posted By: Tim Kindler

Why Bother?

I'm not sure of the designation, but what about JUST SO's.
Isn't there a known A.W.A. instead of an A.W.H. or something?

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Posted By: Fred C

Barry,

I'm hoping you are waiting on the sidelines to chime in. I'd definitely like to hear your list.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I was looking at Leon's list and couldn't find too much to add.

I suppose a complete set of Peck and Snyders would be impossible. One board member has five of the seven, missing only 1870 Philadelphia (which is available in a CdV) and the 1868 Lowells, of which I have seen a photocopy but never saw one in person.

But I think Leon covered all the type cards.

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Posted By: leon

Tim- I didn't include one of a kinds, for the most part. The AWA is an AWH (E222) with a variation on the back. I also didn't include "H's" and there are many of those. Lastly, I didn't include uncatalogued card sets, as there are almost too many to list....Orange Borders, Allstar Baseball, Baseball Bats, J=K, Bigeater and many, many others. My list included most of the Pre-1950, ACC catalogued sets minus the H's and R's.....best regards

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Leon, your fine list lacks T200 premiums. Was that intentional, or was your post in addition to Denny's? And Barry, do the T200 premiums belong in the list?

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Posted By: barrysloate

I'm not sure exactly what the list encompasses. It would only be mildly difficult to get a single T200 premium, such as the Athletics; but it would be near impossible to complete a set. I don't even think every team is known.

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Posted By: Tim Kindler

Great information everybody! Like Fred C said, "This is a neat thread!"

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Posted By: JimB

If we are talking about complete sets, N167 gets pretty close to: Why bother? I do know of a couple people who are about 3/4 of the way there, so I may have to eat my words.
JimB

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Posted By: leon

I just forgot to include the T200 Premiums. They are very, very rare, obviously. I have only seen 2-3, ever..

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim- I know one collector who has either completed N167 or is one card short.

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Posted By: david

i think with the t215 pirate set from mastro not coming to market anytime soon getting even a single example will be difficult. for r issues the butter cream ruth and 32 lindstrom are in the why bother category. other why bother n cards would be a California league oj, gypsy queen California league and red stocking cigars. and is anyone close to completing a joseph hall team cabinet set?

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Posted By: Marc S.

I'm surprised you didn't include Niagara Baking on your list....?

Marc

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Posted By: leon

You are correct too, sir. "D355" Niagara Baking, is a series that would be almost impossible, imo. The way I made my original list in this thread was to look down my website and go from there. I missed a few I don't have .....which would probably make them tough as I do a fair amount of collecting/searching.....

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Posted By: Jay

I don't believe that there are any T211 or T209 complete sets although several collectors are "close".

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Posted By: Zach Rice

David, one collector is complete with the team card Joseph Hall cabinets (including variations). There is also a collector who owns a near complete set of the Fatima premiums.

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Posted By: Richard

Leon -

I think you forgot E125 and T214. Also, T216 Mino and VE.

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Posted By: judson hamlin

T5 Pinkertons are probably deserving as well

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Posted By: Bob

Does anyone know of any collector who actually owns a 1911 Zeenut Bohen (other than the one which is horribly trimmed along his body and pasted to a piece of white paper)?
Mark?