Any interest at the new $18 level?? $200 limit? VINTAGE just POPPED!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Vegas Cards

I think you're right. Don't think it's altered, just rough. I bought it raw a few years ago and I'd like to have it slabbed. I guess I was surprised that even 1's were selling for +/-$400.

No worries, I have about ten other cards I'll be sending you. Thanks!

No crap!!! And to think....that is what I sold my '4' for not too long ago......Those Paige cards have EXPLODED in recent months.

[JollyElm]

Here are my latest contestants, all suffering from various degrees of off-centered or miscut disease. Do you see any problems with these guys?

Teddy has a slight wrinkle and is miscut, one of the Mantles has a corner crease, and the centering is bad all around...

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

No crap!!! And to think....that is what I sold my '4' for not too long ago......Those Paige cards have EXPLODED in recent months.

I sold a 5.5 in Lee's last auction and quadrupled my investment, so yes those really have hit the sky, lol.

[JollyElm]

Thanks for your PMs on the other cards, Bobby. How about these 1972 Topps #343 Joe Namath Pro Action high numbers? They're pretty sweet (with one being o/c), so their 'value' (at least the two more centered ones) could very well be an upcharge problem in this sub, right?

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1) Ted - miscut and wrinkled, 2) HR Leaders - pretty nice, 3 & 4) one Mick with a corner crease, the other with surface problems...

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1) Willie - beautiful if not for a wave of wrinkles, 2) Laughlin Mick - heavy crease(s), 3 & 4) one Indians 'no dot' variation is nice, the other with a dinged corner...

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1 & 2) Two pretty nice Willies, 3) (maybe not technically, because there is white visible) miscut Brooksie, 4) O/C Seaver...

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1) Miscut 'no black outline' Pirates Rookies, 2) decent Thurm, 3) O/C on front, slight miscut on back Dr. J...

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1 & 2) Two pretty nice 'Broadway Joes,' 3) Hickman 'no green in letters' variation, 4) pretty decent but pushed a bit to the top Gretzky...

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[bobbyw8469]

No...those are $200-$250 cards at best....they aren't gonna upcharge over an extra $50.

[Snowman]

Nope. Zero interest in paying PSA anything these days to "grade" my cards. They're so bad right now. They're putting complete noob graders who had never even seen a vintage card prior to their training last month on even high end vintage.

It's gotten so bad that I'm now looking out for recently graded serial numbers and looking for severely under-graded cards. They're everywhere. I'm getting PSA 3s and crossing them over to SGC 5s right now. And PSA 1s with no creases or wrinkles or surface issues of any kind that are crossing over to SGC 2.5, 3, and 3.5. It's actually kinda funny how bad they are right now. Don't get me wrong, they still have some competent graders, and occasionally, your card will get into the right hands, but you're playing Russian Roulette right now if you send your cards in to PSA. At least with SGC, they are reliably handing out fair and consistent grades. But with PSA, you can send the same card in 3 times and get a 2.5 one day, and a 4.5 the next. That should never happen. Some cards are on the fence, but no cards should ever be 2 grades off.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Nope. Zero interest in paying PSA anything these days to "grade" my cards. They're so bad right now. They're putting complete noob graders who had never even seen a vintage card prior to their training last month on even high end vintage.

It's gotten so bad that I'm now looking out for recently graded serial numbers and looking for severely under-graded cards. They're everywhere. I'm getting PSA 3s and crossing them over to SGC 5s right now. And PSA 1s with no creases or wrinkles or surface issues of any kind that are crossing over to SGC 2.5, 3, and 3.5. It's actually kinda funny how bad they are right now. Don't get me wrong, they still have some competent graders, and occasionally, your card will get into the right hands, but you're playing Russian Roulette right now if you send your cards in to PSA. At least with SGC, they are reliably handing out fair and consistent grades. But with PSA, you can send the same card in 3 times and get a 2.5 one day, and a 4.5 the next. That should never happen. Some cards are on the fence, but no cards should ever be 2 grades off.

I hate defending PSA but there is not a chance they are putting new graders with a month training on vintage at the Regular sub tier. They have plenty of people in that grading room with a lot more experience for that stuff.

I have seen lots of under graded material coming out of both SGC and PSA but SGC seems to be leading the charge on consistently under graded material. At least that has been my experience over the past year or so.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I hate defending PSA but there is not a chance they are putting new graders with a month training on vintage at the Regular sub tier. They have plenty of people in that grading room with a lot more experience for that stuff.

I could show you several recently graded high-end vintage cards, from different submissions, that would make you change your mind.