Interesting Ebay Authentication Result...

[perezfan]

Been wanting a nice Frank Robinson Rookie, and this one looked pretty nice for the grade. But it was rejected by eBay Authentication, and I was automatically and immediately refunded.

Seemed like this one would pass in routine fashion. I can't imagine what SGC might have missed, and of course you never get any kind of explanation or specifics from them.

Does anyone see a red flag or problem that caused this slabbed card to fail?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356016882607

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Been wanting a nice Frank Robinson Rookie, and this one looked pretty nice for the grade. But it was rejected by eBay Authentication, and I was automatically and immediately refunded.

Seemed like this one would pass in routine fashion. I can't imagine what SGC might have missed, and of course you never get any kind of explanation or specifics from them.

Does anyone see a red flag or problem that caused this slabbed card to fail?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356016882607

Looks like that link is redirecting to a different card which is definitely not a 1957 Topps...

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Looks like that link is redirecting to a different card which is definitely not a 1957 Topps...

Figures.... I hate that eBay does this now. When I posted it, they were still showing the card I purchased. Seriously, why can't they just leave the completed listing in tact? What's the point in re-directing you to a completely unrelated card?

[The Detroit Collector]

I don't see it either.
What comes up is a CSG graded 1991 Topps East Cost National Frank Robinson

[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Been wanting a nice Frank Robinson Rookie, and this one looked pretty nice for the grade. But it was rejected by eBay Authentication, and I was automatically and immediately refunded.

Seemed like this one would pass in routine fashion. I can't imagine what SGC might have missed, and of course you never get any kind of explanation or specifics from them.

Does anyone see a red flag or problem that caused this slabbed card to fail?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356016882607

This kind of thing is pretty common with eBay's "Authenticity Guarantee," and they'll reject things without explanation for something as simple as listing an item in the wrong category or subcategory. For example, I've seen Colgan's Chips fail eBay authentication as "Item Not As Described" because they're listed as baseball cards and not "memorabilia," even though PSA designates them as "Baseball Cards."

I recently had an eBay purchase for two PSA-graded Domino Discs canceled because the eBay authenticator thought they should have been listed as "pins." My money was refunded and I wasn't given the option to go through with the transaction. On the other hand, the next Domino Disc purchase from a different seller failed eBay authentication for the same reason, but eBay just sent it to me anyway with a notice that it couldn't be authenticated.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Figures.... I hate that eBay does this now. When I posted it, they were still showing the card I purchased. Seriously, why can't they just leave the completed listing in tact? What's the point in re-directing you to a completely unrelated card?

I agree, very dumb.

[Smanzari]

More than likely an issue with the slab, such as a thick scratch or a crack (potential crack at the seam on the top-right looking at the pics)

[perezfan]

Thanks all...

FWIW, here are 3 screenshots (of the actual listing) from my cell phone. Not the best resolution, but perhaps it sheds some light on the problem?

[The Detroit Collector]

as Mike said above, it probably was described wrong or listed wrong in the details.

I have purchased postcards that have failed authentication because they were not described as postcards.

[sonnyu2]

Listing details appear to be correct in all aspects - so that would not be the issue.

Most likely an issue with the slab or the wrong card was sent by accident.

You can contact eBay and see what the "authentication" notes say - they actually usually do keep records on issues with cards that fail the AG program. Or, you could ask the seller Just Collect and see what they know.

[prestigecollectibles]

The listing looks perfect. I have no idea why PSA would not authenticate it.

You need to click on VIEW ORIGINAL LISTING to see it

[Brent G.]

The one you bought looks better than the 4s I see on eBay. ANY chance it's a fake that made it through SGC?

[perezfan]

Thank you, Sonny and Robert...

Good to know about the "view original listing" icon, and I just reached out to "Just Collect" to see if they know what went awry (my big word for the day )

[D. Bergin]

Yeah, I can only think they sent a cracked slab or perhaps the wrong card, which would not be totally surprising considering how much volume they do.

It is infuriating that they fail stuff and send it back to the seller on occasion, just because they think it was listed in the wrong category. Strikes me as a passive aggressive move on the part of the authenticator...because perhaps they think they aren't going to get paid by Ebay for their service.

Also, this listing reminds me of how reasonable his cards are considering the gaudy stats he put up, and multiple awards he won throughout his career.

[Peter_Spaeth]

They will ding SGC slabs for any undisclosed scratches. They DO NOT review the merits of the card or grade.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by gunboat82

This kind of thing is pretty common with eBay's "Authenticity Guarantee," and they'll reject things without explanation for something as simple as listing an item in the wrong category or subcategory. For example, I've seen Colgan's Chips fail eBay authentication as "Item Not As Described" because they're listed as baseball cards and not "memorabilia," even though PSA designates them as "Baseball Cards."

I recently had an eBay purchase for two PSA-graded Domino Discs canceled because the eBay authenticator thought they should have been listed as "pins." My money was refunded and I wasn't given the option to go through with the transaction. On the other hand, the next Domino Disc purchase from a different seller failed eBay authentication for the same reason, but eBay just sent it to me anyway with a notice that it couldn't be authenticated.

The 57T Robinson is clearly a card that falls under ebay's guarantee. It was listed in the correct category as a single card. I don't think whatever issues you had in the past with the guarantee program have anything to do with this Robinson card.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by The Detroit Collector

as Mike said above, it probably was described wrong or listed wrong in the details.

I have purchased postcards that have failed authentication because they were not described as postcards.

The description looks fine. It was not categorized as a postcard.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Looks like that link is redirecting to a different card which is definitely not a 1957 Topps...

There's a link at the top right that takes you to to the original listing which reads "View original listing"

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

The one you bought looks better than the 4s I see on eBay. ANY chance it's a fake that made it through SGC?

Are we looking at the same card? LOL. No offense intended, but this is a pretty low-end 4. PSA would give this a 3 today because of the corners and the centering shift top-to-bottom is pretty bad.

Zero chance that this card is fake though.

[jp1216]

If the price would have been one penny less - this wouldn't have happened.

Card looks good to me - as does the original listing.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Are we looking at the same card? LOL. No offense intended, but this is a pretty low-end 4. PSA would give this a 3 today because of the corners and the centering shift top-to-bottom is pretty bad.

Zero chance that this card is fake though.

I was looking at these for comparison -- the SGC has bad centering and pretty similar corners and the PSA has a very rough image when you zoom in.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by The Detroit Collector

I don't see it either.
What comes up is a CSG graded 1991 Topps East Cost National Frank Robinson

look at the page, you can still click View Original Listing which brings you right to his card, or not his card apparently.

It's a Just Collect listing so I find it hard to believe the card isn't legit.

[packs]

I bought a Jackson Holliday certified 1st Bowman auto a few years ago when he came out in 2022 Draft. It was a Bowman issued autograph but somehow also managed to fail authentication and the auction was cancelled without me ever seeing the card.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

I was looking at these for comparison -- the SGC has bad centering and pretty similar corners and the PSA has a very rough image when you zoom in.

I'm with you... I thought it was quite nice for a "4". The main thing I look for on these '57 Topps is surface wear. The vast majority seem to be plagued by "snow", which is especially visible in the second card (PSA 4) that you posted.

If there is any wear on the card's surface, Robbie's red sleeves will show it. The printed surface on these '57s simply didn't hold up well, and sadly the one eBay rejected was clean as a whistle in this regard. I cared far more about the actual image, and less about the typical corner wear and the slight OC top-to-bottom.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'm with you... I thought it was quite nice for a "4". The main thing I look for on these '57 Topps is surface wear. The vast majority seem to be plagued by "snow", which is especially visible in the second card (PSA 4) that you posted.

If there is any wear on the card's surface, Robbie's red sleeves will show it. The printed surface on these '57s simply didn't hold up well, and sadly the one eBay rejected was clean as a whistle in this regard. I cared far more about the actual image, and less about the typical corner wear and the slight OC top-to-bottom.

Contact the seller and buy it privately. Just Collect is on this forum.

[perezfan]

I might just do that... thanks, Peter.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Smanzari

More than likely an issue with the slab, such as a thick scratch or a crack (potential crack at the seam on the top-right looking at the pics)

That NEVER matters. They LOVE to authenticate cards with ginormous Cracks in the slabs that the sellers maliciously hide or don't mention in their ads. Just had it happen again on a 4 figure card. 2 times this year. I don't eevn bother with E-Bay. I just go straight to PayPal and never buy from the seller again. It's a cess pool out there

[Snowman]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so by all means, buy the cards you love, but IMO you can find much nicer copies for the grade if you're patient. Although it'll certainly cost more. I have a few of these. My PSA 3 is the best looking of the three for my tastes (not for sale).

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so by all means, buy the cards you love, but IMO you can find much nicer copies for the grade if you're patient. Although it'll certainly cost more. I have a few of these. My PSA 3 is the best looking of the three for my tastes (not for sale).

That's a great card.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so by all means, buy the cards you love, but IMO you can find much nicer copies for the grade if you're patient. Although it'll certainly cost more. I have a few of these. My PSA 3 is the best looking of the three for my tastes (not for sale).

That is indeed beautiful for a "3". Looks better than a 3 of course, but perhaps they dinged it for that little crease (white line) towards the top-right corner. There's got to be something there that kept it from grading higher.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That is indeed beautiful for a "3". Looks better than a 3 of course, but perhaps they dinged it for that little crease (white line) towards the top-right corner. There's got to be something there that kept it from grading higher.

Yep, that's why it got a 3. There's a light surface wrinkle/crease in the top right. It's hard to see, even in hand. But it's there. Good eye.