NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. When you click on links to eBay on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
T206s on eBay
Babe Ruth Cards on eBay
t206 Ty Cobb on eBay
Ty Cobb Cards on eBay
Lou Gehrig Cards on eBay
Baseball T201-T217 on eBay
Baseball E90-E107 on eBay
T205 Cards on eBay
Baseball Postcards on eBay
Goudey Cards on eBay
Baseball Memorabilia on eBay
Baseball Exhibit Cards on eBay
Baseball Strip Cards on eBay
Baseball Baking Cards on eBay
Sporting News Cards on eBay
Play Ball Cards on eBay
Joe DiMaggio Cards on eBay
Mickey Mantle Cards on eBay
Bowman 1951-1955 on eBay
Football Cards on eBay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Sports (Primarily) Vintage Memorabilia Forum incl. Game Used

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-06-2021, 09:42 AM
sayhey24's Avatar
sayhey24 sayhey24 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,412
Default New HOFers

Curious to hear what people on this side of the board think of the new Hall of Fame class -- Gil Hodges, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva, Jim Kaat, Buck O'Neil and Bud Fowler.
I've always thought Hodges was the most deserving eligible player who hadn't yet made it. Also thrilled for O'Neil, Minoso and Oliva. Kaat is a bit borderline for me, but still happy for him.
Great that Bud Fowler made it, although to be honest, he's a bit before my time!

Let's see what kind of memorabilia is out there -- I'll start with some game bats, a '65 Oliva jersey and a unique Hodges autographed photo. Somewhere around here I have an Olive rookie bat and a '59 Minoso All Star bat, but I'll have to post them later. Update: having trouble posting the Oliva jersey photos.

Greg
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 5 pic.jpg (72.6 KB, 415 views)
File Type: jpg 6 pic.jpg (71.1 KB, 420 views)
File Type: jpg 7 pic.jpg (74.2 KB, 413 views)
File Type: jpg 3 pic.jpg (68.9 KB, 415 views)
File Type: jpg 4 pic.jpg (73.8 KB, 417 views)

Last edited by sayhey24; 12-06-2021 at 09:47 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-06-2021, 10:55 AM
Scott Garner's Avatar
Scott Garner Scott Garner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Midwest
Posts: 6,597
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sayhey24 View Post
Curious to hear what people on this side of the board think of the new Hall of Fame class -- Gil Hodges, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva, Jim Kaat, Buck O'Neil and Bud Fowler.
I've always thought Hodges was the most deserving eligible player who hadn't yet made it. Also thrilled for O'Neil, Minoso and Oliva. Kaat is a bit borderline for me, but still happy for him.
Great that Bud Fowler made it, although to be honest, he's a bit before my time!

Let's see what kind of memorabilia is out there -- I'll start with some game bats, a '65 Oliva jersey and a unique Hodges autographed photo. Somewhere around here I have an Olive rookie bat and a '59 Minoso All Star bat, but I'll have to post them later. Update: having trouble posting the Oliva jersey photos.

Greg
Hi Greg,
I was of the belief that Hodges and Kaat would make it, but wasn't certain that the others would get in.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-2021, 11:02 AM
sayhey24's Avatar
sayhey24 sayhey24 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,412
Default

Hi Scott,

I was stunned, but pleasantly surprised, that four from the Golden Age list made it -- I thought it might just be one, but if they picked two I was predicting Hodges and Dick Allen (who really should be in).


Greg
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-06-2021, 12:01 PM
mrreality68's Avatar
mrreality68 mrreality68 is offline
Jeffrey Kuhr
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 5,607
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sayhey24 View Post
Hi Scott,

I was stunned, but pleasantly surprised, that four from the Golden Age list made it -- I thought it might just be one, but if they picked two I was predicting Hodges and Dick Allen (who really should be in).


Greg
+1 Agreed

and nice bats
__________________
Thanks all

Jeff Kuhr

https://www.flickr.com/photos/144250058@N05/

Looking for
1920 Heading Home Ruth Cards
1933 Uncle Jacks Candy Babe Ruth Card
1921 Frederick Foto Ruth
Joe Jackson Cards 1916 Advertising Backs
1910 Old Mills Joe Jackson
1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
1915 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
1911 Pinkerton Joe Jackson
Shoeless Joe Jackson Autograph

Last edited by mrreality68; 12-06-2021 at 12:02 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-06-2021, 02:39 PM
Scott Garner's Avatar
Scott Garner Scott Garner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Midwest
Posts: 6,597
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sayhey24 View Post
Hi Scott,

I was stunned, but pleasantly surprised, that four from the Golden Age list made it -- I thought it might just be one, but if they picked two I was predicting Hodges and Dick Allen (who really should be in).


Greg
I believed that Dick Allen would go in as well, Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-06-2021, 02:44 PM
ooo-ribay's Avatar
ooo-ribay ooo-ribay is offline
Rob
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Salt Lake
Posts: 4,844
Default

Dick Allen > Harold Baines, no?
__________________
if you can help with SF Giants items (no cards), let me send you my wantlist!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-06-2021, 03:05 PM
perezfan's Avatar
perezfan perezfan is offline
M@RK ST€!NBERG
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,518
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ooo-ribay View Post
Dick Allen > Harold Baines, no?
Not sure that Baines should represent the new "bar" for HOF status, but yes, I would take Dick Allen, Lou Whitaker and Dale Murphy over Baines. Perhaps Mattingly and Keith Hernandez as well.

And those are just the 1970s-80s guys!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-06-2021, 05:35 PM
sayhey24's Avatar
sayhey24 sayhey24 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,412
Default

Oliva jersey --

Greg
Attached Images
File Type: jpg twins jersey.jpg (75.7 KB, 374 views)
File Type: jpg twins jersey 2.jpg (74.4 KB, 370 views)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-06-2021, 06:11 PM
icollectDCsports's Avatar
icollectDCsports icollectDCsports is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sayhey24 View Post
Oliva jersey --

Greg
Beautiful jersey!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-07-2021, 06:41 AM
71buc's Avatar
71buc 71buc is offline
Mikeknapp
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Great NW
Posts: 2,658
Default

Greg you have a beautiful collection
__________________
1971 Pirates Ticket Quest:
96 of 153 regular season stubs (63%), 14 of 14 1971 ALCS, NLCS , and World Series stubs (100%)

If you have any 1971 Pirate regular season game stubs (home or away games) please let me know what have!

1971 Pirates Game used bats Collection 18/18 (100%)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-07-2021, 09:45 AM
perezfan's Avatar
perezfan perezfan is offline
M@RK ST€!NBERG
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,518
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sayhey24 View Post
Oliva jersey --

Greg
Sweeeeeeeeeet! Gorgeous jersey.... that's great he got in.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-07-2021, 09:34 PM
bjerome bjerome is offline
Brad Jerome
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 169
Default

I have seen there has been a lot of animosity for Dick Allen's exclusion this time around. I have no ill will towards any of the new Hall of Famers. In the case of Oliva and Kaat, I am very happy to see them enshrined while still alive. Hodges was so long overdue. Several factors led to his exclusion. He was kind of lost in the shuffle of those legendary Dodgers Teams he played for. I would say it wasn't until he managed the Miracle Mets to their 69 Title that he really got looked at for something directly related to him. Then just a couple seasons following that win he suddenly passed away very young. Following his death was also an offensive explosion which made his career numbers pale in comparison to what they were at the time of his retirement. Hodges candidacy found ways to lose out. I am very happy that his widow was alive to know he is a Hall of Famer. Many say what they say about Harold Baines. I look at it this way. Did Harold Baines play his way into Hall of Fame Conversation? In my opinion that is an overwhelming yes. If you have played your way into the conversation, there's a chance! As far as Allen goes, this clearing of a log jam may just be the best thing for his candidacy. Now that several players are off the ballot, that will make the choice much easier when that era comes back up in 5 years. None of the rest of the names on the Golden Era Ballot names outside of Allen strike me as a Hall of Famer.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-08-2021, 02:14 AM
the 'stache's Avatar
the 'stache the 'stache is offline
Bill Gregory
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Flower Mound, Texas
Posts: 3,915
Default

Yesterday was the one year anniversary of Dick Allen’s passing. And, it’s utterly shameful that the Veteran’s Committee couldn’t induct him while he was still alive. They certainly learned nothing from their failure to induct Minnie Minoso while he was still alive.

Allen is 18th all-time in OPS+. His name appears directly before Willie Mays and Hank Aaron on the list.

This whole “he was difficult, he didn’t get along with the media” narrative is utter crap. Ted Williams didn’t either, but he was voted in immediately. It bothers me to think that some of the voters would hold Allen out because he was a difficult black man. But I wouldn’t doubt it.

All that matters is a player’s performance. Nothing else. Dick Allen, or Richie Allen, or whatever name they choose to call him by…is inarguably one of the greatest offensive players in Major League Baseball history, and his continued exclusion from the Hall of Fame is a travesty.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Building these sets: T206, 1953 Bowman Color, 1975 Topps.

Great transactions with: piedmont150, Cardboard Junkie, z28jd, t206blogcom, tinkertoeverstochance, trobba, Texxxx, marcdelpercio, t206hound, zachs, tolstoi, IronHorse 2130, AndyG09, BBT206, jtschantz, lug-nut, leaflover, Abravefan11, mpemulis, btcarfagno, BlueSky, and Frankbmd.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-08-2021, 04:47 AM
sayhey24's Avatar
sayhey24 sayhey24 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,412
Default

Thanks for the compliments guys -- two things I've always picked up over the years are pitchers bats and Tony O. items, so I just happen to have a lot of material when it comes to Kaat and Oliva.

Glad to see Dick Allen get some love here.

Greg
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-08-2021, 01:18 PM
perezfan's Avatar
perezfan perezfan is offline
M@RK ST€!NBERG
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,518
Default

It's really amazing to see how similar Dick Allen's stats are, compared to Dave Parker. Really close on so many measures. But Parker had the "laser gun" throwing arm in right field, and two World Championships (Allen had none).

I would have to say that if Allen eventually gets in, Dave Parker has to be in as well. He was actually the most feared hitter in baseball for quite a few years.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-08-2021, 01:36 PM
Scott Garner's Avatar
Scott Garner Scott Garner is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Midwest
Posts: 6,597
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by perezfan View Post
It's really amazing to see how similar Dick Allen's stats are, compared to Dave Parker. Really close on so many measures. But Parker had the "laser gun" throwing arm in right field, and two World Championships (Allen had none).

I would have to say that if Allen eventually gets in, Dave Parker has to be in as well. He was actually the most feared hitter in baseball for quite a few years.
I would whole heartedly agree on "The Cobra" as well, Mark.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-08-2021, 06:58 PM
ooo-ribay's Avatar
ooo-ribay ooo-ribay is offline
Rob
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Salt Lake
Posts: 4,844
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by the 'stache View Post

Allen is 18th all-time in OPS+. His name appears directly before Willie Mays and Hank Aaron on the list.

This whole “he was difficult, he didn’t get along with the media” narrative is utter crap. Ted Williams didn’t either, but he was voted in immediately. It bothers me to think that some of the voters would hold Allen out because he was a difficult black man. But I wouldn’t doubt it.
The guy I want in was also a “difficult black man.” Yes, he took steroids but probably so did Piazza, Pudge and Bagwell. Many HOF voters are sanctimonious hypocrites.
__________________
if you can help with SF Giants items (no cards), let me send you my wantlist!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-11-2021, 07:58 AM
mainemule mainemule is offline
Scott Smith
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Central Maine
Posts: 254
Default

Finally taking stock of my HOFer inventory. I knew I sent Minnie a TTM request some time ago but had forgotten about the other item he sent back to me......
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Minoso business card.jpg (12.5 KB, 208 views)
File Type: jpg Minoso index card.jpg (24.5 KB, 209 views)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-17-2022, 09:21 PM
5-Tool Player 5-Tool Player is offline
Carl0s Ay.ala
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 219
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrreality68 View Post
+1 Agreed

and nice bats
+1 agreed.......those who made it .....deserve it
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-18-2022, 03:02 PM
dwr11 dwr11 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 162
Default

Some Tony Oliva items.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 066A868B-301E-450A-9FC2-AD648F12A91B.jpg (195.8 KB, 114 views)
File Type: jpg 7C6D767A-E691-4C75-90AE-E24D8CA9AC40.jpg (187.4 KB, 114 views)
File Type: jpeg 47D3D245-8C90-4048-A4E8-3431963600E6.jpeg (150.9 KB, 114 views)
File Type: jpeg 2B3C3375-4279-44C5-8E24-797CF767C3F7.jpeg (134.4 KB, 114 views)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-18-2022, 03:20 PM
Dewey's Avatar
Dewey Dewey is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 744
Default

Love the bats. Hodges was due!

Hodges and his welcoming committee after his 1956 WS game 1 homer.

1956WSGm1JRHodges
__________________
42 Collection: Jackie Robinson, Branch Rickey and the People Who Shaped the Story https://www.flickr.com/photos/158992...57668696860149

Last edited by Dewey; 07-18-2022 at 03:46 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-18-2022, 03:37 PM
UKCardGuy's Avatar
UKCardGuy UKCardGuy is offline
Gary
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: London, UK
Posts: 1,107
Default

I agree that Hodges was long overdue. The rest were worthy inductees but Kaat's inclusion was borderline IMO.

Love the collections, esp that Olivia batting champ pennant.
__________________
Working on the following sets: 1916 and 1917 Zeenut, 1955B, 1956T, 1965T, 1975T Mini
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:13 AM.


ebay GSB