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Posted By: Plastic Dog
In restrospect, there seems another option. A "0" or "0.5" ("1/2") grade, given to authentic but altered cards. If a card, such as Leon's Matty will grade, then it should be graded if someone (you listening Leon?) wants to have it slabbed. If it won't grade, but is altered, then it should receive a grade below poor (the lowest level of unaltered card). |
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Posted By: Plastic Dog
Maybe some of the weird stuff - like the hand-cut Ty Cobb back or even the hand-cut Piedmont Wagners - should receive the same numerical grade (i.e. 0 or 1/2) and a description of "Authentic but Non-Standard." That would possibly be a descent option for some of the other pre-production printer's scrap and miscellaneous oddities. Items that wouldn't grade now because they were clearly hand-cut (but whether at the factory or in some 10-year-old's back-yard is unclear). |
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Posted By: MW
...that these cards should not end up in holders. |
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Posted By: runscott
seems like a good card to debate this issue with. The one recently on e-bay, according to the seller, has been restored. What if the seller was someone you had never heard of - how sure would you be that this high-dollar card was real? How much has it been altered? Are the repaired holes he mentions the only alterations? Would you rather bid on this card the way it is, or in a slab that says "authentic", along with any qualifiers the authentication company could come up with to indicate the level of alteration? |
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Posted By: MW
runscott -- |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I personally have no need for a grading service and prefer my cards loose, but sadly, about 90% or more this hobby is incapable accurately grading card or even being able to tell if it has been altered or even a fake. |
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Posted By: runscott
No one I knew ever felt that way. I thought it came about because some opportunists saw a way to make money off cards the same way investors did off of graded coins. Potential card investors then jumped on it, and now collectors just have to deal with it. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks |
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Posted By: Marc S.
That it was partly opportunistic, and also as a response to the even-worse "opportunists" -- the dealers who routinely altered cards. |
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Posted By: runscott
For those of you who have never seen bleached cards (I was one until yesterday), check the most recent "Wayne Varner Shoebox Cards Catalog" - he has a load of these advertised as bleached. Damn they're ugly! He also has an e95 Wagner at 2x Catalog value for a vg, which has a heavy crease across the bottom, and which I want anyway... |
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Posted By: runscott
We've been supplying the White House with "cavernous heads" on a steady basis since the '60s, so we must be doing something right. Also, we never judge others except on the basis of their card-collecting tastes - yours is varied enough to appeal to all. |
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Posted By: Plastic Dog
I never used to really care one way or another about Texas until my roommate from college moved there and became brainwashed by the entire experience. Texas this, Texas that, "go Horns" ad nauseum. I actually used to route for the Longhorns in sports. But a couple of Bushes later and exposure to a few more rabid fans has me pretty cynical on the whole place. I'm sure I would love it if I ever moved there. But I won't ever move there, and so I continue to despise the place. Please let me continue to enjoy this one simple pleasure. |
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