Tatis Jr. - the first 50-50 player?

[clydepepper]

Two more errors today in a 6-5 loss.

That's 14 errors in 32 games he's played in the field.

Padres are 5-5 in games in which he makes errors.

Thru his team's first 51 games:

HR-13
SB-11
ER-14
DP-14

Probable 30-30-30-30 player at least.

[SD]

He's more then making up for it with the bat and making plays he has no meaning making. How many games has he single handedly killed other teams.
Though he leads the world in errors, the padres are still 2nd in defensive runs saved
Hate all you want, a ss who hits like he does far out weights his uncharacteristic errors.
Your stats of the day.
Tatis is hitting .471 (16-for-34) in the last 10 games, hitting six homers with 5 doubles, 5 stolen bases, 22 RBIs and 8 walks.
He enters the day tied for the National League lead in homers with 15. Oh and he's also missed 17 of the 53 games the padres have played. 100% OVERRATED 😆.

[SD]

Leads the league in errors and is still top 15 in WAR(2.3). Take away 4 errors and he would be the top rated WAR player by allot.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by SD

Leads the league in errors and is still top 15 in WAR(2.3). Take away 4 errors and he would be the top rated WAR player by allot.

I think the Padres would be best suited moving him to another position.Pham has been terrible this season, and Abrams is working his way up through the minors. Maybe start teaching Fernando how to play one of the corner outfield spots, as Abrams gets ready for the bigs?

I'm glad to see he's hitting well, he's an exciting young ballplayer, who I hope has a very long career ahead of him.

[SD]

In a shortened 2020 season Tatis ranked 4th behind Arenado, Kiner-Fafela and Cronenworth. 1st for SS in outs above average. Also finished 1st in plays that only 5% of players make. So whether it's scored an error or not is not really relevant. It's about plays made or not made. He will make more plays than other ss's by covering more ground. That will also lead to more errors. 22 years old, he's staying at ss.

As bad as Pham has played to start the season, he has hit allot of hard balls right at guys or to the track. Since may he's batting like 260 with a 400 obp. So, comparatively there isn't a ton of options.

Abrams isn't ready yet, talent wise he's there, just needs to put on more strength. Having a team full of players capable of playing the 6 is an amazing problem to have.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by SD

Leads the league in errors and is still top 15 in WAR(2.3). Take away 4 errors and he would be the top rated WAR player by allot.

I realize this post was made 9 days ago, but he wouldn't have led baseball in WAR with 4 less errors. That's a bit of hyperbole.

Tatis is at 2.8 WAR, and not in the top 10. He's a full point behind the leader, Brandon Woodruff of Milwaukee, and 3.8.


Also, I love that the Brewers are beating up on some lesser teams. The hitting is starting to come alive slowly. And our #3 starter almost tossed a no hitter. One damned hit, grr.

[the 'stache]

I'd be interested to see if they move Tatis off of shortstop if his defense doesn't improve. He's got just freakish athletic ability, so maybe a corner outfield slot is in his future.

If his plate discipline improves just a little-and I think it will-look out. He really doesn't strike out like your typical power hitter today. His K% is 25.9%, up slightly from his 23.7% last year. Compare that to someone like Joey Gallo, who is at 32.4% this season, and had a career rate of 37.6% (a whopping 672 Ks in 1,785 career PAs). Gallo's walk rate has jumped significantly this season to 18.9%, up from 14.0% career, and that's with a lot of inconsistency. In the abbreviated 2020 season, his walk rate was 12.8%. The year before, it was 17.9%, and 12.8% the year before that.

Tatis is only 22, and his walk rate has trended up each season.

2019 8.1%
2020 10.5%
2021 12.2%

His isolated power (.370) is unsustainable, but his BAbip is actually lower than his career standard at .290.

His career OPS+ is 162, and I think he has room for improvement as a hitter, which is frightening. If he stays healthy....

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

I'd be interested to see if they move Tatis off of shortstop if his defense doesn't improve. He's got just freakish athletic ability, so maybe a corner outfield slot is in his future.

If his plate discipline improves just a little-and I think it will-look out. He really doesn't strike out like your typical power hitter today. His K% is 25.9%, up slightly from his 23.7% last year. Compare that to someone like Joey Gallo, who is at 32.4% this season, and had a career rate of 37.6% (a whopping 672 Ks in 1,785 career PAs). Gallo's walk rate has jumped significantly this season to 18.9%, up from 14.0% career, and that's with a lot of inconsistency. In the abbreviated 2020 season, his walk rate was 12.8%. The year before, it was 17.9%, and 12.8% the year before that.

Tatis is only 22, and his walk rate has trended up each season.

2019 8.1%
2020 10.5%
2021 12.2%

His isolated power (.370) is unsustainable, but his BAbip is actually lower than his career standard at .290.

His career OPS+ is 162, and I think he has room for improvement as a hitter, which is frightening. If he stays healthy....

AT THE TIME, it was inconceivable that Fernando Tatis, Sr. could outdo his single-inning with two grand-slams feat...but, such a conception did occur.

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[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Two more errors today in a 6-5 loss.

That's 14 errors in 32 games he's played in the field.

Padres are 5-5 in games in which he makes errors.

Thru his team's first 51 games:

HR-13
SB-11
ER-14
DP-14

Probable 30-30-30-30 player at least.

Well, He's gotten much better (was there any other way?)


Thru his teams's first 61 games:

HR-21
SB-13
ER-15
DP-25

Last ten games:

HR-8
SB-2
ER-1
DP-11

[pclpads]

No question the kid's a helluva talent, but he always makes me think of Bob Gibson. With his bat toss / flip, standing at the plate and admiring another HR and his new trick, a stutter-step at 3rd after a dinger, Gibby must be spinning like a top. Guaranteed, if he pulled any of these tricks from his bag on Gibson, the next time he came to the plate Gibson would bury a 99mph FB so deep in Tatis's ribs they'd need a backhoe to excavate hit. When did the current trend of showing up the opposition become de rigueur?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by pclpads

No question the kid's a helluva talent, but he always makes me think of Bob Gibson. With his bat toss / flip, standing at the plate and admiring another HR and his new trick, a stutter-step at 3rd after a dinger, Gibby must be spinning like a top. Guaranteed, if he pulled any of these tricks from his bag on Gibson, the next time he came to the plate Gibson would bury a 99mph FB so deep in Tatis's ribs they'd need a backhoe to excavate hit. When did the current trend of showing up the opposition become de rigueur?

It's interesting because I think there can be a healthy balance of players having fun, but being respectful. I think Griffey's home run trot was the perfect example of that.

I'm a little more annoyed at how lax the uniform policy has gotten. With buttons undone, or gaudy, gigantic gold chains hanging around their neck. I'm all for personality, I actually really like the idea of players being able to do whatever they want with their cleats, but I'm not a fan of a player having almost half his Jersey open.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Seven

It's interesting because I think there can be a healthy balance of players having fun, but being respectful. I think Griffey's home run trot was the perfect example of that.

I'm a little more annoyed at how lax the uniform policy has gotten. With buttons undone, or gaudy, gigantic gold chains hanging around their neck. I'm all for personality, I actually really like the idea of players being able to do whatever they want with their cleats, but I'm not a fan of a player having almost half his Jersey open.

Acuna does the same thing...of course, I was pretty crazy at his age...and I wasn't and still am not a millionaire who does my job in front of people every day.

As long as they hustle and never loaf, I can handle the flash. And Bauer's attitude toward all this is refreshing.

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