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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The T206 red Cobb is found with as many as 25 different backs (including the 1910 COUPON). |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: robert a
Hi Ted, |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: barry arnold
congratulations,Ted! |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: mark s.
on finally acquiring the cobb, AND completing your sovereign 460 subset! |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks guys....the 46 (of 48) cards in the 460-only Series are sort of tough to find with |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: JB
Congrats........... |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Jim Rivera
sovereign 460s I currantly own |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I'm still waiting for the POP report on this SOVEREIGN 460 card. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
These are the 52 Subjects that are found with the SOVEREIGN 460 back...... |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Red
Neither PSA or SGC breaks it down to the series. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
SGC dates the T206's by year....a "460" backed T206 is labelled "1911" |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: mark s.
ted- |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You're the man...... |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Richard
Ted - there are a lot of Cobb Red Portraits that are as scarce or scarcer than the Cobb back. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
RICHARD |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Marc S.
and sales, haven't we seen one BL 460, two Drums and three Uzits? |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Donavon Arabie
Ted, |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: leon
Donavon is correct. A Red Portrait Red Hindu Cobby will be in the next REA auction. It is the only known one, from my understanding. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Jim Rivera
This really isn't a rule but I kinda follow this. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Eric Pugh
Ted, awesome card - congrats. Not to split hairs, but you state there are 14 cobb/cobb cards; Mastro and i believe REA both claim 12 is the known number. Are you sure about that 14? I think the recognized known number is actually 12. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Correct me if my recollection is off....but, the original find of the Ty Cobb back cards was 12. Then, I heard |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: JimB
There were six known Ty Cobb backs when Rob Lifson made his famous find of five more in 1997. One additional copy was found a few years later (I believe in Kentucky, but could be wrong in my memory of the location), bringing the total to 12. When Nagy's example came to market, some people started counting it as the 13th, but I can't imagine it was not counted by Rob among the six known back in 1997. Obviously Nagy and his collection would have been well-known in the hobby. So if the Russell copy was also not one of the pre-1997 six known, then the total would be 13. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Scott B.
t206 museum lists Sov 460 rarer than Hindu, AB 460 but not as rare as CB, BF 350 etc. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for correcting me guys regarding the red HINDU red Cobb. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I stated |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: mark s.
are there any known red cobb BLANK BACKS? |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Richard
Certainly these are all rarer than Cobb back: |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Donavon Arabie
Leon, |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
If I understand your post....you are accounting for 4 red HINDU red Cobb's....is that correct ? |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The T206 museum list is pretty accurate in ranking the 46 cards in the 460-only Series. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Donavon Arabie
Ted, |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: robert a
I know some of you will disagree, but I think there's something strange about comparing individual front/back combinations to the cobb/cobb back. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The Russell collection Ty Cobb back card is apart from any of the recent finds. It was in |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
OK, for any Net54er's interested on expanding their T206 Cobb collections....I am displaying here all the possible SOVEREIGN backs |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Red
Factory 42 Piedmont 460 would be a big jump in difficulty level too. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: JimB
Ted, |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Scott B.
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JIM B |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Go get 'em, Ted... |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Marc S.
I have never heard much of the Senator's collection. How is it that he seemingly stumbled upon all of the tough cards from T-206...Cobb/Cobb, Doyle Nat'l, etc. Doesn't it just seem odd, as such a comprehensive collection of rarities is relatively unparalleled from those collections that were put together 80-90 years ago? |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Eric Pugh
regarding market pricing: heck, the shiny new 1 of 1's are rarer than the cobb/cobb back, but that does not change the fact that one is a museum piece and the other is well, not a museum piece. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I have researched into Senator Russell's collection, and it's actually not so unusual that he |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: JimB
So why if Frank Nagy's Cobb back was acquired many years ago did Rob not count it among known examples in 1997 when he reported the total (including the find of 5) at 11? |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Richard
"So to me, it seems likely that the most difficult back of a T206 Cobb is the red portrait Sov 460." |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Richard, I understand your point and the problem with what I posted up there. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Richard
Sorry, you are right. Just cut and pasted from an above post. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Don't forget the 1910 COUPON card of Cobb's red portrait. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Richard
Ted - I don't think that the type 1 Coupon has a population, graded and ungraded, anywhere near that of Cobb back. As in many multiples higher. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
What does "population" have to do with anything ? |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: dstudeba
Population, as in the number of cards, has everything to do with rarity which is this whole discussion. I agree with the posters above who say that there are probably many of these cards that we don't know about. I will add that there are probably Red Cobb Sovereign owners who aren't aware that they have this rarity. If I had one I wouldn't know the difference, whereas if I had a Cobb back I would know. |
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Relative rarity of Cobb SOV 460 to BL 460, DRUM, LENOX, UZIT ?
Posted By: peter ullman
Is the red cobb portrait available in t215 pirate? |
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