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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
If someone on the board has a suspicion that an ongoing auction is questionable (due to forgery, alteration, shill bidding, etc.) would you prefer that be posted on this forum, "outing" the auction, or not be reported? |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: MVSNYC
absolutely "Yea"... |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Steve Murray
Yea. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Joann
Matt, |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: peter chao
Matt, |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: boxingcardman
If the card is something you know is wrong, or the seller has a bad history of which you are personally aware, then it is a nice thing to do. Otherwise, it just invites an argument about "outing" an auction in progress. If in doubt, I'd err on the side of not outing an ongoing auction. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jim VB
I'm with Al. Forgeries and alteration have one threshold of evidence. Shill bidding has a higher limit. It's too hard to ascertain. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Marty
I agree with Al. I doubt that anyone here will pay more than they are willing to because they have been shilled. It is almost imposible to prove. I am currently receiving unwanted bidding activity. I have a low grade 53 Bowman Color Mantle that is just over $100 with more than 40 bids. I know for a fact that I am not having this auction shilled. Just because it looks like shilling does not mean 100% that it is. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Tabulating (the poll in it's present form): |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jim VB
NO, No, No! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
"Suspicion" and "questionable" are not enough proof for me. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Jim - you can only vote once! |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Thanks Jim! Yes Matt please re read what I and the others said. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Al - I think your 4:29 post and my 4:30 post crossed in cyberspace. Please read my response to Jim in that post. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jim VB
Matt, |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Jim - it's a 1 part poll at the top of this thread (plus I used a smiley when I said that!). The questions I asked in my response to your post were for understanding your position. If you would answer those questions it would help me understand,. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Joe D.
Absolutely 'NAY' - with regard to shill bidding. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
As many seem to be splitting their vote, I'm hoping someone who is doing so can answer the question I posed above, namely: |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jim VB
<<Are you suggesting that if you're 75% sure its a forgery you're OK with outing it, but if you're 75% sure there is shill bidding it shouldn't be outed? >> |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: barrysloate
My point was that if it is not definitive, then I wouldn't care, and therefore wouldn't want to know. It could be misinformation. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Rob
I guess i'm pointing towards "nay". Like Al & company said, doctoring/forgery/alterations should be outed. Those auctions are offering items different than whats is stated/shown. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Jim - If the OP WAS 75% sure or more of shill bidding you'd still rather not have the listing outed? |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Just my personal opinion but I have no problem with outing auctions at all. This board finds every auction in every obscure category. Sure, you can argue that by posting on this board, it will get 1000 views from the public exposure when maybe 1, 5 or 10 other board members might have discovered it the auction if it had not been outed. But out of those thousand views, how many are actually interested in that piece? Also, there are times when auctions are outed to discover more about a piece or ask what the heck the item is. I know many will argue that instead of outing a particularly rare piece of memorabilia or card publically for all to see, you should privately email a board member to get their opinion on value, authenticity, what it is, etc. The problem I sometimes find is if I have no freakin idea what the piece is, how the heck do I know who to email? |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i want to clarify, i agree with Joe D: |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Joe D.
to be clear - |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Thanks you for clarifying Joe D. I will re tabulate shortly with 3 possible voting "buckets" |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: martindl
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Posted By: Matt
martin - what about forgeries that are only 75% certain? |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
No way. I hereby amend my response: |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
I say yes, out the auction. |
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Posted By: Matt
Tabulating: |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
"75% certain"... |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
I guess us "B"s are considered YEANEAs!!!! |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
MVSYNC - I assume by the smiley you're being facetious? Obviously you can't concretely quantify it. The point is you think it's "reasonable likely" meaning, you have evidence to support that but it's not 100% conclusive, but it's also more then a 50/50 possibility, which I suppose means you'd be willing to bet money on it. We work on such assumptions every day. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jim VB
<<If the OP WAS 75% sure or more of shill bidding you'd still rather not have the listing outed?>> |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: martindl
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Posted By: Matt
Jim - do I have you tabulated correctly now? |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: MVSNYC
Matt- i was being facetious, several of you guys are getting techincal (75%, 50/50, etc.)...i just was making it clear that it is near-impossible to quantify such subjective thoughts/opinions... |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Al Simeone
Matt, |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
I want to change my vote to 2. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I vote C. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Matt
Tabulating: |
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Posted By: Tony Andrea
I vote "C". |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Matt- I kind of hover between B and C. I would out shilling if you are virtually certain; but I personally don't care about it as I would place my bid anyway. |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: Dave Hornish
I vote C |
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Poll: Should Suspect Auctions be Outed?
Posted By: 1880nonsports
because the only way you are in the "C" category is if you're the one doing it. 99.9% certainty (and even 75%) of occurances of shill bidding seems unattainable as there are so many variables and so many unknowns. You can catch an idiot that exposes himself in a blatant manner - like 2 dealers that used the exact wording which included 2 of the same made-up words and same sold material. Other than that it's mere speculation and as mentioned before could be used in a self-serving manner relative to a card or seller. I think we lose as a group more than we gain by allowing the outing of suspected or imagined shilling. With 150,000,000+ registered on eBay ya doesn't have to go to a neighbor or a dummy account - like any auction anyone can ask someone else to place a bid. |
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