Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

interesting.

Warriors' Damion Lee tested positive for COVID-19 despite full vaccination

Lee went on to describe the symptoms he experienced, including headache, chills, sneezing, congestion, soreness, body aches, and what he described as "brain fog" — where he'd lost track of what he was talking about five minutes into a conversation. "It felt like I was hit by a car, hit by two cars at once," he added.

https://theathletic.com/news/warrior...n/muRvt49vKYuI

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/gol...032701485.html

Dag, 1 out of 6K people to have this happen. Granted, 6K out of 80 mil is crazy odds; I'd rather win the lottery.

[mcgwirecom]

I haven't really been reading this thread but I wanted to mention a couple things.

Most of my family are not vaccinated. Some are close to being denyers of the pandemic. I try to be more middle of the road and evaluate both sides. I work in a large factory and up until 5 weeks ago we didn't have too many issues. A few people got it but got over it. Then a nice lady who works there got it and died within 3 days. I actually saw her on her last day there and did notice she didn't look well. I found out she had diabetes like myself and it really made me think. Most people who die tend to have other health factors and I do.

Then a friend at work, also a denyer, told me his father went to Florida and now had covid. He died within 5 days. My friend did a complete 180 and within a week had his whole family vaccinated.

So now I am really thinking about what to do. I don't really put myself in danger as I am not a people person and do not socialize much. I generally go straight home after work. Order food delivered a lot. But still go food shopping once a week. Sometimes at 6 am to avoid people.

Last Friday I decided to stop by a big grocery store to pick up a Mothers Day card (she's 88 and my sister did get her vaccinated as well as herself since they live together) and a few items. As I am walking down the aisles I heard an announcement, "any customer that wants to get a Covid19 vaccinationation can walk up to the pharmacy. No appointment necessary". So I decide to see how many people took them up. I walk over and no one is there. I know if they don't use up the vaccine it can go to waste. So I say to myself, if they have the one and done type I will get it. Guess what? One and done Johnson and Johnson. So I said OK I will do it. I figured it was a sign. Took about 5 minutes of paperwork and they asked me to come back in 15 to show I was feeling OK. So far everything is fine. But I still wonder if in a year from now it will be like "I Am Legend" LOL

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

Then a friend at work, also a denier, told me his father went to Florida and now had covid. He died within 5 days. My friend did a complete 180 and within a week had his whole family vaccinated.

The only thing that changes the minds of deniers are dead family or friends.

So, I guess we could hope for dead denier family and friends, but that wouldn't be very polite.

Doug "I wear a mask to be polite" Goodman

[irv]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The only thing that changes the minds of deniers are dead family or friends.

So, I guess we could hope for dead denier family and friends, but that wouldn't be very polite.

Doug "I wear a mask to be polite" Goodman

I don't know a single person who has contracted covid, and of course, with that, I don't know anyone who has died of it, but I did know someone who was perfectly healthy who received the vaccine and died 4 days later, but I guess that is just anecdotal, just like these?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...cine-1.5398821

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...says-1.5388245

Alberta reports country's second known death due to AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.cp24.com/news/alberta-re...cine-1.5414687

1.3% of Canada’s COVID-19 cases had 1st vaccine: PHAC
Two hundred and three people were hospitalized and 53 people died of COVID-19 after receiving one shot of the vaccine, PHAC added.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7829119/c...t-dose-canada/

Doug, maybe you should ask your question to these "Deniers"? It would be real interesting to hear their replies to you and if you would still call them deniers after?

Mmm, who to believe? Front line doctors' and Nurses, or what MSM feeds me?
https://www.newyorker.com/science/me...-covid-vaccine
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...er-reluctance/
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/s...cine-1.5872004
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2021021721967

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by irv

I don't know a single person who has contracted covid, and of course, with that, I don't know anyone who has died of it, but I did know someone who was perfectly healthy who received the vaccine and died 4 days later, but I guess that is just anecdotal, just like these?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...cine-1.5398821

Some became seriously ill and 74 people died
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...says-1.5388245

Alberta reports country's second known death due to AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.cp24.com/news/alberta-re...cine-1.5414687

1.3% of Canada’s COVID-19 cases had 1st vaccine: PHAC
Two hundred and three people were hospitalized and 53 people died of COVID-19 after receiving one shot of the vaccine, PHAC added.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7829119/c...t-dose-canada/

Doug, maybe you should ask your question to these "Deniers"? It would be real interesting to hear their replies to you and if you would still call them deniers after?

Mmm, who to believe? Front line doctors' and Nurses, or what MSM feeds me?
https://www.newyorker.com/science/me...-covid-vaccine
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-v...er-reluctance/
https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some...ted/a-56162735
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/s...cine-1.5872004
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...vaccine-access
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2021021721967

Thanks for uncovering all these secrets!

[Peter_Spaeth]

So what do you make of what's happening in India, Dale? Fearmongering by MSM maybe?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I find it interesting how the same people who question whether the virus caused various adverse outcomes seem to accept uncritically that the VACCINE caused all adverse outcomes reported after receiving it. Inconsistent? I would say so. I guess it depends on your agenda.

By the way, there have been some inquiries that concluded that some of the immediate adverse events reported after the vaccine were, in fact, the symptoms of panic attacks. Knowing what panic attacks can do, that doesn't surprise me.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So what do you make of what's happening in India, Dale? Fearmongering by MSM maybe?

Who actually knows what is really happening over there, Peter, and where in any of my posts am I denying covid exists?
I'm not sure how you've missed it, but the majority of what I have been trying to say is I don't think these vaccines are working as well as what we are being lead to believe.


Back to India. Wasn't it just a month or 2 ago, they, MSM, were reporting cases were plummeting rapidly?
If you can tell me which story is truthful, factual and correct, I am all ears because I honestly don't know what to believe anymore coming from MSM.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...covid-19-cases
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...785_story.html
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...india-unclear/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/asia/...cli/index.html

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

Who actually knows what is really happening over there, Peter, and where in any of my posts am I denying covid exists?
I'm not sure how you've missed it, but the majority of what I have been trying to say is I don't think these vaccines are working as well as what we are being lead to believe.


Back to India. Wasn't it just a month or 2 ago, they, MSM, were reporting cases were plummeting rapidly?
If you can tell me which story is truthful, factual and correct, I am all ears because I honestly don't know what to believe anymore coming from MSM.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...covid-19-cases
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...785_story.html
https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...india-unclear/
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/24/asia/...cli/index.html

Who led you to believe they were going to be completely effective? You bring up some reports of post-vaccine illnesses and deaths and think you've revealed the emperor's not wearing clothes, you're attacking a straw man, nobody made any such claims.

By the way my point is not that people deny the existence of the disease, but rather that at the same time they question the deaths attributed to it while accepting without question that any post-vaccine adverse event is causally related.

And the situation in India changed, because the government was premature in its assessment that it had largely contained the virus, and it let down its guard. The triumph of politics and agenda over science. If we were allowed to discuss politics I might say, gee that sounds familiar.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Dag, 1 out of 6K people to have this happen. Granted, 6K out of 80 mil is crazy odds; I'd rather win the lottery.

Nobody ever claimed these vaccines were 100 percent effective; indeed the flu vaccines to which people don't seem to object are far far far less effective. So anectodes like Dale's are to be expected.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody ever claimed these vaccines were 100 percent effective; indeed the flu vaccines to which people don't seem to object are far far far less effective. So anectodes like Dale's are to be expected.

The precise number of these breakthrough cases is unknown, but figures released by states suggest it is at least several thousand. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has had a team monitoring breakthrough infections since February, has partial data but has not made it public.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ng-vaccinated/

We are still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions in public places like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often. CDC will continue to update recommendations as we know more.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ect/after.html

Sorry, I'd rather get covid and build up immunity naturally than to get an experimental drug that has been rushed through without approval, (other than for emergency use), that still shows people, in the thousands, who are still getting severely ill and dying after receiving both vaccines.

Like the article above, why has that information been kept secret so far? Why is the fact that people are still catching covid after they have been vaccinated, not being talked about much, if at all?

Again, anyone who wants one, go ahead. Like I've stated, I am just showing the other side of the story that, imo, should be talked about more but for some mysterious reason, it is not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-qzkDNFMqg

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by irv

The precise number of these breakthrough cases is unknown, but figures released by states suggest it is at least several thousand. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has had a team monitoring breakthrough infections since February, has partial data but has not made it public.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ng-vaccinated/

We are still learning how vaccines will affect the spread of COVID-19. After you’ve been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you should keep taking precautions in public places like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often. CDC will continue to update recommendations as we know more.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ect/after.html

Sorry, I'd rather get covid and build up immunity naturally than to get an experimental drug that has been rushed through without approval, (other than for emergency use), that still shows people, in the thousands, who are still getting severely ill and dying after receiving both vaccines.

Like the article above, why has that information been kept secret so far? Why is the fact that people are still catching covid after they have been vaccinated, not being talked about much, if at all?

Again, anyone who wants one, go ahead. Like I've stated, I am just showing the other side of the story that, imo, should be talked about more but for some mysterious reason, it is not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-qzkDNFMqg

If you are linking to an article with the information, how is it secret?
The CDC is not the only source of information. Maybe it has its reasons for waiting.
And by the way unvaccinated people who have had the illness are also getting it for a second time.