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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: David
I realize that many have groused here and even tried to do something about the all the AAA & NASA graded card in the Pre-1950 graded card section. I don’t deal with many of Pre-War cards, so it’s no skin off my nose. But, if I did, I would be embarrassed looking at the featured listings. If I was a seller would be furious at how it will potentially skewer bids and permanently scares people away from the area. If this was happening in areas I specialize in, I would raise bloody Hell. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: David
On a somewhat related and intriguing topic, the 5 digit zip code was introduced in 1963. I'll let you figure out the significance of that historical fact. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: David
UP and UPI are not the same thing, and the difference is more than technicality. There is no such thing as a 1910s Wirephoto. By its very nature, a Wirephoto cannot be an original photograph. Only certain and identifiable kinds of photographs were use to make printed pictures. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: jeff s
because of the vast increases of second- and third-class mail? to allow for more effecient sorting (particularly pre-sorting) and transportation of said mail? |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: jeff s
ditto--until a few weeks ago, I only browsed the "pre-1950->non-graded" section. When I switched to browsing all of the graded stuff too, I was stunned that half of the featured auctions were AAA/NASA/etc. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: David
As many of us are well aware, the only time eBay does something is if there's a story in the national press. When an obviously fake T206 Wagner was put up for auction, there were probably 100 complaints to which eBay said they could not do anything. But as soon as MSNBC did a story, the card was removed right away. This is why I say the ball is now in Beckett, SCD, Tuff Stuff's court. As Bush would say, "It's time Beckett got a backbone." |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: petecld
For the record: Don't take this post as a defense of these sellers. The sellers of AAA and NASA items are scum and the hobby would be better without them. I have complained to ebay about "libertyforall" and have contacted bidders and I was told by ebay to stay out or be banned and some of the bidders told me they have the right to buy what they want and pay what they want. I can't argue with that. IT IS A FREE COUNTRY. "liberyforall" is a power seller so ebay won't touch him. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: David
Pete, I agree with you that there is no fraud. However, I find it fascinating that the magazines avoid the subject (along with PRO) like the plague. I had thought that these magazines were supposed to be on the side of the average collector, offering practical and sincere advice to someone starting out. And if they aren't on the side of the average collector, who's side are they on? |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...that are "allowable" to the total number of feedbacks. That HAS to be the answer as the worst case of negative feedback I've ever seen was 371 negatives, BUT, in that particular case, the seller had a "shooting star" icon...over 10,000 feedbacks!!!!! Whick translates out to an average of 3.7 negatives for every 100 positives. Then again, I HAVE seen sellers with 20 negatives against only 100 to 150 positives!!!!!! |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: MW
Listing worthless scrap cut from vintage magazines in an eBay category labeled "Trading Cards" is deliberately misleading. How do we know? Before "libertyforall" starting listing this worthless crap, NO ONE ANYWHERE would have classified all or part of a page in a vintage periodical as a baseball card. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: runscott
I'm not as diplomatic as you two - I would like to see Roy Huff strung up by his tiny nads after first being pasted with hot tar and then covered with paper scraps. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: Paul
David is surprised by our patience, but I'm surprised by my own idiocy. Until I read his post, I had forgotten I could exclude all NASA and AAA cards from ebay's Pre-1950 category simply by moving one level deeper into ebay's categories -- to "ungraded cards." There's a 1 in 100 chance that I'll actually miss a graded card that I want, but it's probably worth it. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: TBob
1963? Have anything to do with the receipt of the Warren Report? Was Roy Huff on the Warren Commission? |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: David
The point is that if someone's going to fudge the date on a photograph, he shouldn't do with on a photograph I sold him. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...a "heads up". You never know who you're emailing. You could be giving a concerned "heads up" to a friendly SHILL of the seller, or even the seller himself under another handle, in which case the well-intended warning could be CC'ed straight to Safe Harbor along with a complaint by the seller and you've committed a rule "infraction" by doing a good deed. I used to do this a number of years ago. As a matter of fact only when absolutely certain of a problem with the item, sending several Ebayers that I already "knew" by email, a note of their bidding on reprint cards made to appear old (Goudey Guy..a 33G Ruth, John from the old Fullcount Board..a T206 Cobb believe it or not, and a 33G autographed Dizzy Dean card, etc.). Sometimes we look too quickly or get distracted and all were appreciative of the quick "heads up" and acted on it by not advancing their bid against an unmet reserve or retracting, BUT, I took a BIG chance of getting suspended by doing that and CHOSE PRUDENTLY who I contacted, knowing that the info would be most likely kept confidential. What's said here is public domain but Ebay sees it as vigilante-ism if you "spam" a bidder and you ARE taking a chance of getting suspended if they so choose. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: runscott
Let's drop the word "wire" for a moment. I think I have seen photographs that were "prepared" for use in magazines that were published prior to the 1930's (before "wire" photos). How would such prepared photos look different from actual "wire" photos? |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
I will differ on one point. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: mapabr
I find this topic of interest. I agree with the majority of the points here. I don't think ebay will do anything about this (selling paper scraps) unless it made headlines like the Wagner card. It is all about the $$$. But, I will use the phrase spoken so many times in response to "How can we (the people) do anything about the baseball strike?" That phrase is, "Do not buy these worthless pieces of news\magazine paper!" I cannot believe the people that bid, even if it is only one person on this worthless stuff. And another thing, sure the seller has the right to use the "privacy" function on "the bay" but this time it's used to mask deception and not to protect the buyer. One last laugh on the topic, the adjective used to describe the grading company as "TOUGH". Unbelievable. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: Julie Vognar
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: runscott
The seller who describes AAA as "tough" is also the owner of AAA. Roy Huff, aka "Libertyforall" (and others) even offers a price for cutting up the paper submissions - check out his web-site for more info. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: jeff s
just wanted to congratulate Dan on his super-nice S81 Mathewson he won yesterday. |
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I'm surprised at everyone's patience
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
Hey Jeff- |
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