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Old 04-06-2021, 03:01 PM
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Default Babe Ruth vs every other card

This has been a hotly debated topic for quite some time here on net54, vintage vs modern, and we're about to find out for sure how valuable Babe Ruth cards really are. Not sure if anyone has seen heritage's upcoming auction yet, but they have a 1916 M101-5 Blank Back Sporting News Babe Ruth Rookie #151 PSA NM 7 listed to start on April 15th. In full disclosure, I do NOT own this card and it's well out of my price range, but it will be fun to break out the popcorn and watch the bidding begin. How high does everyone think it'll go? My guess is that it'll easily surpass $8 million, and that there's a good chance we could see the first official card sale over $10 million on this one. My official guess is $12 million. Thoughts?

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Old 04-06-2021, 03:03 PM
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What is also noteworthy is that there's a honus wagner in the same auction. Should be a great night to watch!
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Old 04-06-2021, 06:15 PM
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Hi

What is even more nuts is the last time in 2016 a 7 sold for 717k in 2015 one sold for $552k and in 2018 sold for $384k.

So for one to sell in Heritage in the millions is just a major jump in price in such a relatively short time is amazing.

I am hoping Ruth takes the crown and holds it versus the modern cards.

In the interest of transparency I am biased because I have a PSA 4 so I have interest as it helps increase the value of all the others like mine
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I don’t think the Ruth will get anywhere near $8mm, let alone $11mm. In fact, I believe the Wagner 1 outperforms the Ruth 7, by a fairly wide margin. And I am biased on both because I have a Wagner and a Ruth.

I think the Ruth goes for $1.3mm and the Wagner for $2.3mm (a slight step back from the $2.5mm realized by the “A” last month). Both cards are absolute beasts and they should sell for $8mm given what some modern cards are trading, but that’s my prediction; I would be delighted if I am wrong and Babe goes for $8mm.
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I think Ruth could surpass two million pretty easily in this market. Add a million for Wagner. Weird times my friends.
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The 1914 Baltimore News card certainly would!
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I don’t think the Ruth will get anywhere near $8mm, let alone $11mm. In fact, I believe the Wagner 1 outperforms the Ruth 7, by a fairly wide margin. And I am biased on both because I have a Wagner and a Ruth.

I think the Ruth goes for $1.3mm and the Wagner for $2.3mm (a slight step back from the $2.5mm realized by the “A” last month). Both cards are absolute beasts and they should sell for $8mm given what some modern cards are trading, but that’s my prediction; I would be delighted if I am wrong and Babe goes for $8mm.
Ryan - not even close. The Ruth 7 on a bad day will fetch roughly $3 million. A soiled “6” realized nearly $1 million in memory lane so it serves to reason, the 7 should end up at least 3x that amount....and probably more.
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Ryan - not even close. The Ruth 7 on a bad day will fetch roughly $3 million. A soiled “6” realized nearly $1 million in memory lane so it serves to reason, the 7 should end up at least 3x that amount....and probably more.
I am willing to bet against that. $500 and I will give you 2.9M and up.
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Ryan - not even close. The Ruth 7 on a bad day will fetch roughly $3 million. A soiled “6” realized nearly $1 million in memory lane so it serves to reason, the 7 should end up at least 3x that amount....and probably more.
Joe, first, the OP states the Ruth could easily surpass $8mm- zero chance. Second, the one in ML was a sporting news back and the 7 is a blank, the former being significantly more desirable; at worst a blank back 7 is equal to a sporting news back 6 (just under $1mm for a soiled one). I agree with Jesse, if you are putting the over/under at $2.9mm, I am betting the house on the under. The card will go for a lot of money, and no doubt set a record for a blank back 7, but I am capping it at $1.5mm and think it goes south of that. I would have no problem being wrong. We will see

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This has been a hotly debated topic for quite some time here on net54, vintage vs modern, and we're about to find out for sure how valuable Babe Ruth cards really are. Not sure if anyone has seen heritage's upcoming auction yet, but they have a 1916 M101-5 Blank Back Sporting News Babe Ruth Rookie #151 PSA NM 7 listed to start on April 15th. In full disclosure, I do NOT own this card and it's well out of my price range, but it will be fun to break out the popcorn and watch the bidding begin. How high does everyone think it'll go? My guess is that it'll easily surpass $8 million, and that there's a good chance we could see the first official card sale over $10 million on this one. My official guess is $12 million. Thoughts?
Compared to modern cards, I think Babe Ruth is still very undervalued! I think your prediction is ambitious but Ruths are on their way! The sky is the limit for the Babe!!!!
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Compared to modern cards, I think Babe Ruth is still very undervalued! I think your prediction is ambitious but Ruths are on their way! The sky is the limit for the Babe!!!!
THIS IS A Close Race to Sky is the Limit

Wagner is at $1.2 million (with BIP) and Ruth is at $1.5 million (With BIP) in the first few hours of the auction.

Who will win this Race
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THIS IS A Close Race to Sky is the Limit

Wagner is at $1.2 million (with BIP) and Ruth is at $1.5 million (With BIP) in the first few hours of the auction.

Who will win this Race
What is the BIP over there? For that matter, What is a Bip? Seriously not familiar with the term as I have never purchased at an auction house.
Is Bip Roberts PSA 10 included in the sale? Thanks
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Old 04-12-2021, 10:51 AM
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What is the BIP over there? For that matter, What is a Bip? Seriously not familiar with the term as I have never purchased at an auction house.
Is Bip Roberts PSA 10 included in the sale? Thanks
SORRY I Meant BP for Buyers Premium. IT is the 20% BP that is added on to the auction bid amount. So the Ruth Card has a $1,250,000 bid and there is a $250,000 Buyers Premium for the Total Auction price of $1.5 million with 24 days left to go in the auction
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SORRY I Meant BP for Buyers Premium. IT is the 20% BP that is added on to the auction bid amount. So the Ruth Card has a $1,250,000 bid and there is a $250,000 Buyers Premium for the Total Auction price of $1.5 million with 24 days left to go in the auction
I spent 10 minutes on the Heritage site initially and signed up as a bidder. Still could not find it was 20%. That's a stiffy and out of my realm of possibilities. Appreciate you passing the knowledge forward. Thanks!

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THIS IS A Close Race to Sky is the Limit

Wagner is at $1.2 million (with BIP) and Ruth is at $1.5 million (With BIP) in the first few hours of the auction.

Who will win this Race
For both of these cards, unless the card sells, as I interpret Heritage's terms and conditions one will not know which if any of the bids were "real" bids or house bids. This is because until the item reaches its reserve price the AH can place house bids. This practice is hardly confined to Heritage (e.g., Sothebys and Christies do the same thing, as do other prominent AHs that specialize in sport cards and memorabilia).

I suspect the Wagner will sell, and if it does unless the consignor was the purchaser, an expensive proposition since to do so requires payment of the full BP and SP, the sale will provide useful information as to the market value of Wagners. But for the Ruth, if it doesn't sell, and I am skeptical it will, I don't see how on its face the auction will provide any information as to the market value of M101-4/5 Ruths.
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Anyone marvel at the fact that we are so used to $10,000 and even $100,000 sales that our current thrill is watching new seven-figure sales every week?

It's just baseball cards, damnit, it's just baseball cards!
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Reserves just posted.
Wagner will sell no matter what

Ruth reserve is 3 million. Bidding was at 1.925 before the reserve posted.

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Reserves just posted.
Wagner will sell no matter what

Ruth reserve is 3 million. Bidding was at 1.925 before the reserve posted.

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Now the million Dollar Question. Or is that the $3 million Questions.

Will someone take the Bid and hit the reserve and jump it to $3 million
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