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Old 05-02-2021, 03:48 PM
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Default Tatis Jr. - the first 50-50 player?

He hit his eighth homer today - already has 10 errors.
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He hit his eighth homer today - already has 10 errors.
I've never seen a more incomplete player labeled as a "Superstar" in my entire life. He has a lead glove at short, and we've yet to see him hit for an average of any kind. Media nowadays is ridiculous throwing around this term like a hot potato.

And at the prices on his cards, talk about buying into the hype.
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I've never seen a more incomplete player labeled as a "Superstar" in my entire life. He has a lead glove at short, and we've yet to see him hit for an average of any kind. Media nowadays is ridiculous throwing around this term like a hot potato.

And at the prices on his cards, talk about buying into the hype.
He hit .317 his rookie year.
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He hit .317 his rookie year.
I should've clarified, Peter. Hit .300 over the course of a full season. I think he's a talented young ballplayer that has a promising career ahead of him, I just wouldn't put him into the superstar category, as he's overrated by the media.

I think the term "Superstar" is thrown around too liberally. Guys like trout and Betts, those guys are the upper echelon of baseball talent. Proven success year in and out, have shown they possess all five tools. In my opinion, I don't think tatis is a top five player in the current game, especially considering how poorly he plays his position.
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Old 05-03-2021, 07:22 AM
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I think the league will figure him out pretty quickly if he can't learn how to walk. Soto and Acuna are beasts because they walk. Tatis is never going to be that tier of player if he's striking out 3 times as much as he walks.
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I think the league will figure him out pretty quickly if he can't learn how to walk. Soto and Acuna are beasts because they walk. Tatis is never going to be that tier of player if he's striking out 3 times as much as he walks.
I dunno. Hank Aaron never walked very much. Neither did Andre Dawson, or Ken Griffey Jr. And probably others, but I'm not going to spend too much time researching it. He's just 22, so he has time to improve his plate discipline.
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:56 AM
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I dunno. Hank Aaron never walked very much. Neither did Andre Dawson, or Ken Griffey Jr. And probably others, but I'm not going to spend too much time researching it. He's just 22, so he has time to improve his plate discipline.
Hank Aaron has more walks than strike outs in his career. Griffey has 400 more K's than walks, but that's still pretty elite. Dawson didn't walk at all but I don't think the Padres expect Tatis to be Andre Dawson. I think they're expecting Hank Aaron for 300 mil.

You're right though. Time could solve all problems. He's got that on his side for sure.
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Current numbers look more like Dave Kingman than Hank Aaron. He will have to become more plate disciplined if he wants to become a real superstar. If he continues like this his cards might end up in the bargain bin! Ive seen this type of hype many times before usually doesnt pan out. Jeffries rookies anyone?
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:54 AM
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I don't think I would compare him to Greg Jeffries. I think he's more like Kris Bryant. Made an immediate impact but not the superstar predicted. Just a good player.
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Kris Bryant was MVP in his second year and led his team to a WS win...and while he's not known for his defensive skills, he doesn't embarrass himself either.
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Old 05-05-2021, 01:17 PM
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He's a good player no doubt. I wouldn't call him a superstar though.
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His career BA is .292 and OPS .945 (higher than God himself, Ronald Acuna who is 7 and 17 points lower). He's struggled a bit first month this year, but those numbers are none too shabby. Don't understand the earlier comment about not hitting for average. He's all of 22 no idea how he turns out yet.
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His career BA is .292 and OPS .945 (higher than God himself, Ronald Acuna who is 7 and 17 points lower). He's struggled a bit first month this year, but those numbers are none too shabby. Don't understand the earlier comment about not hitting for average. He's all of 22 no idea how he turns out yet.
Seriously. His career ABs add up to about one full season and in addition to his .292 BA he has hit 47 HRs and stolen 32 bases. You can count the number of 22 year olds with that kind of resume on your fingers. He also has 67 walks, which while not high is not really low either. It's probably even above average for someone his age. The errors are a concern but Tatis wouldn't be the first superstar who switched to another position after failing as a shortstop.
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Seriously. His career ABs add up to about one full season and in addition to his .292 BA he has hit 47 HRs and stolen 32 bases. You can count the number of 22 year olds with that kind of resume on your fingers. He also has 67 walks, which while not high is not really low either. It's probably even above average for someone his age. The errors are a concern but Tatis wouldn't be the first superstar who switched to another position after failing as a shortstop.
Mickey Mantle, for example.
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Greg Jeffries was a good major league player with a 14 year career. Anyone who sticks around in the show that long is doing something right. When he came up to the majors his cards where over hyped. Do you see anyone paying big money for his rookies now? Simple no. Tatis may have a great career as well but the price of his cards and the hype associated with them currently is not going to pan out. Bring the average up to .300 plus or hes just another player regardless of his home runs.
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Mantle improved his stats in his first 3 seasons. Tatis has gone the opposite direction declining in all major categories. Still has time to turn it around as the season is just beginning. Here are some numbers for a 22-24 year old super star
30 HR .250 average, 27 HR .271 average , 22 HR .249 average, Pete Incaviglia. Im offering his rookies at a discounted price if anyone is interested :
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Mickey Mantle, for example.
...and Mr. Aaron.

Too bad they don't have some system where the players can refine their skills before getting to the show...hmmm.
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