T207 George "Buck" Weaver

[jimmyfoxx]

I recently had a pair of T207 George Weaver cards graded by PSA. I noticed when I got them back that there is a distinct color difference between them (the PSA 2.5 is a Broadleaf back, and the PSA 3 is a Red Cycle back). Does anyone know of it is common that the Cycle backs to have a deeper color differential? Looking at them side-by-side, the PSA 3 Cycle is much darker and the details are much more prevalent. Is this common?

[jingram058]

I have all kinds of cards. T cards, OJ's, pre-war, Topps, Bowman. I find differences, frankly, in all of them. Blurry, crystal clear, washed out color, vibrant color, different colored backs. Some of it is how they survived, sunlight, darkness, basement, attic, box, binder. Some of it is just how these cheaply made pieces of cardboard came from whatever factory or printing press. Some of it is documented, some of it just is what it is, irrespective of the anal retentive, OCD, know it all's. I get torched by a flame thrower every time these things come up in these threads and I point out the reality that is hard, sometimes impossible, to scientifically analyze and then state facts about things that were either given away or so cheap that they were virtually meant to be thrown away. It will probably happen again now for the umpteenth time. Oh well, don't care. As was said in "Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade", "Dr. Jones, it's time to ask yourself what you believe."

[jimmyfoxx]

I was just asking if this was a common occurrence with the Cycle backs. I understand that these cards will look different because they all have been stored differently.

[riggs336]

Originally Posted by jimmyfoxx

I recently had a pair of T207 George Weaver cards graded by PSA. I noticed when I got them back that there is a distinct color difference between them (the PSA 2.5 is a Broadleaf back, and the PSA 3 is a Red Cycle back). Does anyone know of it is common that the Cycle backs to have a deeper color differential? Looking at them side-by-side, the PSA 3 Cycle is much darker and the details are much more prevalent. Is this common?

My Broadleaf.

[jimmyfoxx]

OK, so your Broadleaf has the same registration as my Cycle. Can any of the T207 experts out there tell me just how much tougher the Cycle back is than the Broadleaf?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jimmyfoxx

OK, so your Broadleaf has the same registration as my Cycle. Can any of the T207 experts out there tell me just how much tougher the Cycle back is than the Broadleaf?

Here is a rabbit hole that can eat up some time.

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1531764

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[Bridwell]

I'd say the Weaver Cycle back is much more scarce than the Weaver Broadleaf back. Having seen many T207's, I also would say that the Cycle backs tend to have glossier fronts than many of the Broadleafs of the same player. Maybe a little extra gloss was added to the fronts of the Cycles and they held their color a little better. This is just a general observation, nothing scientific. There are exceptions to every trend, of course.

[Yoda]

Not as rare as Buck with a Red Cross back.

[ValKehl]

T207 Broadleaf (SGC) and Cycle (PSA) cards of George Mogridge:

[babraham]

Here's my Broadleaf Weaver:

[Bridwell]

Wow, PSA 7! That's a beauty!

[t206fanatic]

Nicest Weaver I've ever seen

[babraham]

Originally Posted by Bridwell

Wow, PSA 7! That's a beauty!

Originally Posted by t206fanatic

Nicest Weaver I've ever seen

Thank you both!
It was my birthday "present" to myself last year.

[jingram058]

They both are quite nice. I would be happy with either one, but crisp and vibrant does have the all-important "eye appeal".

I would crack them both out. Attempting to get scientifically analytical with cheap (next thing up from disposable) cardboard is just amazing to me. That is why I am the spokesman for raw cards. Come back over to the light side, raw, ungraded cards, and truly enjoy collecting again.

[frohme]

Originally Posted by jimmyfoxx

OK, so your Broadleaf has the same registration as my Cycle. Can any of the T207 experts out there tell me just how much tougher the Cycle back is than the Broadleaf?

If I recall (which is a dangerous thing these days), from Tim N's survey/bible which is soon to be 20 yrs old... Broadleaf were ~2.5x more plentiful than Cycle. I no longer have the articles to refer to - having passed them on to a board member - so memory will have to do.

[yanks87]

Late to the party, anyone know how many anonymous back Buck Weaver’s might be floating around? Just picked up one today.

[frohme]

Fewer Anon Factory 25's than Anon Factory 3's by an unknown ratio, but from personal experience, the ratio of F3 to F25 is likely higher than one might expect.

Sadly, the numbers from grading companies are not split out in any useful form directly - much is grouped together, but making assumptions, you can get a smidge of an idea...

Only looking at pop reports, and if you assume (big assumption) the best ...

PSA has 44 graded Weavers across all backs

SGC has 56 graded

Broadleaf: 31
Cycle: 6
Anonymous (all factories): 19

If the SGC ratios hold with the PSA populations (another assumption), that gives 15 (of the 44) more Anons , so 34 graded across the two anon factories. Relative ratios from Tim N's survey were 2.67 (Anon F3 to F25),

So very very roughly for some small (inaccurate) fraction of the population about which one has made some rather gross assumptions, with rounding that's

25 Factory 3 and
9 Factory 25

Weavers ... with absolutely no idea how many more may show up next week, month, year, etc...

Do I believe any of that? Ask me tomorrow, I won't even remember having made this post

I will say that we need better - more accurate data to say anything for certain. I know I have seen more Anon 3's than Anon 25's.

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Mike