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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
So far I haven't noticed any changes to the vintage card market from the publication of The Card...I suppose we won't notice anything until the Mastro Auction at the National. What do you guys think, has the Card had any impact on prices so far? |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Well, I spent $12.95 on the book, so that's $12.95 less that I have to spend on cards. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
The Card has only gotten into Bay Area bookstores in the last few weeks, maybe that's the reason we haven't seen much impact. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: JimB
Impact? |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yes, the book is tearing up the bestseller charts right now (#6000 in Amazon sales) so I'm certain that everyone is looking askance at their Wagners and wondering if those, too, might have been cut from a sheet. |
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Posted By: dennis
to prove "the card" is trimmed is impossible. like anything else in life,if you can find an expert to claim it is,there will be another EXPERT to counter claim it is not. unless "the card" turns up in a PRO holder one day, we will never know, and its legendary status in the hobby will remain. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: barrysloate
So Jeff, you don't see it sliding up the bestseller list? |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: JimB
It ranks higher than my first book , but a couple of years ago it may have been higher. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: barrysloate
That looks like a very scholarly work. They usually aren't the best sellers. You need a little sex and violence to get it to sell! |
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Posted By: JimB
I knew I should have included the long-rumored photos of the pre-trimmed Sanskrit text. You are right Barry; scholarly books do not traditionally sell a whole lot of copies outside of university libraries and a small field of specialists. It was a self-deprecating joke. Actually, for a scholarly book, it has done pretty well. The publisher tells me they were happily suprised and have encouraged that second volume I have ben talking about. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: barrysloate
I am truly impressed that you could write a book of that significance. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
But Barry -- is it worth a mass email to promote it? |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: barrysloate
Oh Lordie...I guess that one didn't go over too well! |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: JimB
Barry, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- I am in fact one of the people who is very interested in the topic, but as a skeptic and non-believer in almost everything I'm not sure I would make a good pupil. I know little of Buddhism but I've always imagined Buddhists are one of the few groups who seem to understand what is truly important in the world. |
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Posted By: Alan
No impact whatsoever, although perhaps we might soon find out who bought it... |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: P Spaeth
Anyone ever read "If You Meet the Buddha On the Road, Kill Him?" Seriously. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: davidcycleback
Minor impact. It may be news to some, but not to the people putting down the money in the hobby. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: davidcycleback
Jim, if you think it's tough mass marketing your book, below is a book my dad co-authored. I remember telling my dad the title needed more sex appeal. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Who knew that Luis Aparicio was into catalytic reaction synthesis? |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Julie Vognar
I vow to ferry them across the ocean of samsara; |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: JimB
David, |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
Since this thread is already going on the Card, I decided to carry on the discussion on the Downturn here. Is the downturn iminent? Will the Card speed up the Downturn? Are there other factors we need to look at? |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: barrysloate
I don't see an imminent downturn. The hobby is quite strong now with many prices still rising and a deep pool of vintage collectors. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: davidcycleback
Jim, the final chapter in my dad's book is titled, "Isobutane Cracking Catalyzed by Acid Zeolites." I think that's where the guy gets the girl. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
Barry, |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: leon
Personally I wouldn't weigh the National too heavy vis a vis the current market. I would look more towards the many different auction houses and ebay. The National is very small comparatively speaking. I think everyone that goes will still have fun...but I wouldn't say the market is doing good or bad based on it. (newer cards might be different, I don't know) Just my opinion...regards |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
Leon, |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: MVSNYC
peter- |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
I agree with you the market is surprisingly strong. But I have about 18 months of mortgage payments worth of cards dating from 1909- the present. I have always preferred to sell too soon rather than too late. I wouldn't mind selling about one-third of the cards in the near future, a downturn will come, that is the nature of markets. I'm just trying to figure out when it will come. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: davidcycleback
Peter, I noticed card values were shaky after the publication of the book, but that's because my Standard Catalog was on the air conditioner. If it'll make you feel any better, I'll turn off the air condition. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
David, |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: MVSNYC
peter- you said... |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
The book will not significantly affect the value or next sales price (very different things) of The Card, nor of other white border H. Wagner cards. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Davidcycleback.... |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
So if your catalog doesn't accidentally slide off the air conditioner the prices will remain steady... |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Neal Kane
I hope my PSA 5 Wagner doesn't take a nosedive. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: davidcycleback
I don't know how the sale or state of a $2 plus million card effects the |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David theres a book coming out about the Hope Diamond being made of paste. Sell your shares in Target fast. Dont you think. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
My basic assumption is the Vintage Card market is like any other market. When revelations were made about Worldcom, Tyco and other heavyweight corporations, there were ripple effects in the stock market, it's possible the Vintage Card market is different. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: PSpaeth
Peter: I think it is time to let go of this "downturn" obsession of yours. Sure, there may be one eventually, but it will have nothing to do with the stupid book. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: davidcycleback
Peter, perhaps with new details, the book is repeating old stories. |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: peter chao
David, |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Jeff Prizner
"anybody who edits their post, 3-4 times needs to be taken seriously." |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: MVSNYC
i have to hand it to Peter for that one too... |
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Impact of the Card
Posted By: Max Weder
I am patiently waiting for a black line version of net54 posts |
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