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Old 04-28-2008, 03:30 PM
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Posted By: Dan Bretta

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h0FA7lcEo0RteBkzUqZEI2eSuLvQD90B1LEO0

I wonder if those Senators trying to suck up to Clemens in the Steroid hearing still think he's an American Hero?

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Old 04-28-2008, 03:40 PM
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Drug charges too? Nah, This is just a publicity ploy to rekindle a fallen star.

On a positive note, I bet the silence is once again deafening tonight at the Rocket Ranch.

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Old 04-28-2008, 03:42 PM
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla

Not that some of them are any examples.

There's a Larry Craig joke in here, somewhere, but I'll refrain.

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Old 04-28-2008, 03:42 PM
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Posted By: Joe D.

I think the article said that he had a non-sexual relationship with the person.

Something you and I, and most everyone else, would call a friendship.

how the heck does that make things worse for Clemens?

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Old 04-28-2008, 03:47 PM
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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Joe, because the NY Daily news (which I now see is not part of this article) claims they can back up their report that he had a sexual relationship with her. I originally read the article somewhere else and googled for the original news release to post here. I don't know one way or the other if he did or not, but I can tell you for certain no matter what the truth is "It Just Got Worse For Roger Clemens".

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Joe D - actually the article states that the report was that Clemens had a sexual relationship. Clemen's lawyers have stated that the relationship was not sexual.

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Old 04-28-2008, 03:51 PM
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oh, I'm sure it was just a friendship. I'm sure they had a lot in common and had many meaningful conversations when he was 28 and she was 15.

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Mindy's #1 hit... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmtxVR8p5sA


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Old 04-28-2008, 03:53 PM
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Maybe he just "misremembers".................what really happened.

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Old 04-28-2008, 03:56 PM
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Had Roger just kept his stupid mouth shut and disappeared a la McGwire none of this stuff befalls him. But Rog and his lawyers knew better and his situation just continues to get worse and worse and worse. Some of the worst strategic decisions I've ever seen on a case.

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The report I heard was that he began an affair with her when she was 15. Isn't that a felony?

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the NY Daily news is about 1/4 inch above the National Enquirer.

I think Lichtman is the only subscriber who admits to being a subscriber.

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I think different states have different ages of consent. Depends where they had their "friendship".

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Joe- for the last several Sundays I've been buying it because a customer from the midwest asked me to save "The Stadium" series for him. The paper is a little thin on real news.

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Old 04-28-2008, 04:37 PM
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Joe, the Daily News is a full head above the SI Advance!

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Posted By: boxingcardman

McCready had a No. 1 single in 1996 with "Guys Do It All the Time."

Now that's funny...

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Old 04-28-2008, 05:04 PM
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Didn't Jose Canseco say that Roger Clemens was the only married MLB player he knew that
did not cheat on his wife?

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Old 04-28-2008, 05:45 PM
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If he did have an affair with her at 15+ it would be at 13 years ago, and my guess in whatever state it might have occured the statute of limitations on statutory rape are up. This is much less a legal issue as it is a PR issue, and I'm curious who is behind the negative PR for Clemens?

HMMM?

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It's not just a PR issue because Clemens claimed in his defamation lawsuit that his wonderful reputation was besmirched by McNamee's claims of steroid use. If Clemens was dirty to begin with, i.e., having an affair for 10 years, than his claim of damage to his reputation is weakened. Of course, now McNamee will be sending out subpoenas to the singer as well as Pettite, etc. etc. Smart move by McNamee's lawyers to put more pressure on Clemens. I'm sure everyone around Clemens is happy that they'll be dragged into the spotlight on this one, being forced to answer uncomfortable questions.

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There's been so much fighting between Clemens and the trainer that I really don't believe anything from either side.

It's sad that Jose Canseco is the most honest man in baseball.

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what a piece of crap.

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Old 04-28-2008, 07:05 PM
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Gee, Roger Clemens' wife admitted using HGH and now his girlfriend of 10 years has been convicted on drug charges, but good old Rog' is innocent on all counts, just ask any of the Republican congressmen who kissed his backside at the hearing. Who would've thunk it? :-P

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ESPN just announced that contacted at her home, Mindy McCready said she did not refute a single thing in the newspaper article. Clemens is beginning to make Ty Cobb look like a choir boy. A 15 year old girl (stautory rape), Rog, we harldy knew ye....

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Woopsie!

So I guess that means that Roger lied, Rusty lied and .... Jose lied? Who would have thunk it?

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They all have a collective case of "misrememory."

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Old 04-29-2008, 06:37 AM
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Is Clemens the Pete Rose of this decade?

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Even a busted clock is right twice a day.

I cannot wait to see the deposition testimony. Or, watch while Clemens's legal team does backflips trying to get the judge in the civil case to impose a gag order on the deposition.

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Well, nobody can say it was statutory rape unless they know what state the alleged incident occurred. Fifteen is fair game in some states. Also, not even the sleezeball trainer claimed to have knowledge of a sexual relationship.

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I'm not trying to be Clemens' PR person by the way. I just don't buy into these tabloid stories. Clemens is innocent of these allegations in my mind. If some facts come along, I might change my mind.

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Seems someone's stuck with a pile of Rocket's rookies.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

and some people still think Pete Rose never bet on baseball....The good thing about most liars is that they're bad at lying. Clemens is a bad liar...you can see guilt written all over his face.

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Posted By: Lance

Rose should be in the HOF and who cares if a one-hit-wonder...in country, no less, wants to cash her final check at Roger Clemens' expense? Is Michael Jackson guilty? Probably. O.J...he did it for the money. Rose? A gambler, but he played baseball the same way...taking calculated risks every chance given to him. But, I for one don't care. I still remember Thriller, Wanting to play like O.J., and the feeling I had when Rose broke the record. I knew I had just witnessed history. I just think it's just a terrible thing that the media already has Clemens at the firing squad. He commited statutory rape because......he may have used steroids?????Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The "HAS-BEEN" needing money for her drug habit theory is completly out in left field. Maybe Judge Judy can take this one on, too...

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If the comment about owning a pile of Clemens rookies was directed at me, I can tell you honestly, I own 2 of them. One Topps and one Donruss and they're both buried deep in a stack of card albums full of 1980's junk.

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The age of consent in Texas is 17 {Texas Penal Code Section 21.11}. However , "...It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the actor...was not more than three years older than the victim and of the opposite sex...(and) did not use duress, force, or a threat against the victim at the time of the offence" and is not a registered sex offender {Section 21.11(b)}.
Rog would not have fallen under any of the exceptions and would be guilty of criminal conduct IF he bumped uglies with her the first 2 years he knew her.

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Well, ESPN just reported that according to McCready, she met Roger when she was 15, but the relationship didn't turn "intimate" until she was 18, so...no statutory rape charge would apply.


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Yeah, Matt, that's some tabloid story when it's corroborated by the very woman that the tabloid story is about -- and her father. So let me get this straight: Pettite lied, McNamee lied, the country singer lied and Clemens told the truth? Oh, and only Clemens' wife took HGH.

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Many dirtbags in this thread, but O.J. is in a class by himself.

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"Well, ESPN just reported that according to McCready, she met Roger when she was 15, but the relationship didn't turn "intimate" until she was 18, so...no statutory rape charge would apply."

So he's a pig but not a child molester.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

"So he's a pig but not a child molester."

Assuming they are telling the truth. I doubt she'd state publicly that Roger had sex with her when she was 15 as it would be self-injurious and horrible for him. But she did throw him under the bus and call him a liar after he claimed their relationship was non-sexual.

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Hmmm. I wonder if a forensic examiner were to...uh...never mind

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Yeah, Matt, that's some tabloid story when it's corroborated by the very woman that the tabloid story is about -- and her father. So let me get this straight: Pettite lied, McNamee lied, the country singer lied and Clemens told the truth? Oh, and only Clemens' wife took HGH.

I wasn't aware of this new information at the time I made my post. I don't have any personal stake in this issue. I just don't like to see someone's name ruined without corroborated evidence. Well, now it looks like it is corroborated. But man, Clemens had a wicked fastball!

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A has been singer, someone who at best was a vague recollection for the majority of the American public, just became a household name, and is on every newsshow in the country. Not like she has nothing to gain during the relaunch of her career.

But come on! You have a 28 year old athlete, a hero in his town making millions (even back then), taking a pretty blond 15 year old girl up to his room to talk??

The only way I'm buying that is with one other explanation, and considering he's got four kids and we know his life likes it in the butt, I can't see that explanation either!

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You can imagine how proud all of the K. Clemens boys are of their parents right about now. What a mess.

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he's cheap too!
http://news.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1090645&srvc=home&position=rated

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

They're lying. And so is John Daly's ex-wife. She's lying about Clemens too. Pettite, Pettite's wife, McNamee, the singer -- also lying.

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Posted By: Dan P.

You're right, Jeff. All those people you named are lying about clemens. I got to meet him at a card show several years ago. Add me to the list of people lying about him--he's a very nice man and a fine gentleman.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Apparently a stripper just came out of the woodwork and claims she had an affair with Clemens. She's lying too.

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