Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[Shoeless Moe]

Yah I don't get these Governors, I'm not allowed to go to Church, or to my Gym, or go to a baseball game.......yet they allow 10's of 1000's to go hand in hand and yell in the face of police.....and for the most part allow looting.

I can loot, but can not exercise in a gym.

Are there good card shops in NYC or Chicago or LA?

Might be a good time to pick up a '52 Mantle on the house.

[Shoeless Moe]

Can I break into my gym and workout?


As long as I come back the next day and help clean up the glass and board it back up.

[Shoeless Moe]

Any one else notice the looters are not keeping 6 feet apart?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Any one else notice the looters are not keeping 6 feet apart?

right was a big deal when protestors asking states to open up faster didnt social distance

also that party at the Ozarks lots of news about someone testing positive and shaming them for not distancing

however looters are allowed..

[Shoeless Moe]

I just have one question why do Gupta & the other CNN cronies not mention a word about social distancing at these protests, yet they are all over it on a Trump press conference if the reporter who like many of the protesters have masks, in fact all reporters do, all protesters do not. Yet not a word.


How can they not say a word not a word about it for the protesters, and they didn't mention it at the church memorial either, same thing went on there, yet god forbid we open a church or gym.

Holier then thou (to quote James Hetfield)

CNNgenda

[packs]

I think it comes down to why people are protesting and if it carries equal weight compared to something like going to the gym.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by packs

I think it comes down to why people are protesting and if it carries equal weight compared to something like going to the gym.

Like someone else stated earlier....it stopped being about that man's death after the first day. There are ulterior motives at play here.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

I think it comes down to why people are protesting and if it carries equal weight compared to something like going to the gym.

Fair point......but I just don't like the this is ok but that is not ok (basically told by the media what is ok and what isn't), I'm not saying drop the social distancing, drop the masks, drop everything, 100% back to how it was.....I'm just saying with what we now know, and with 40K jamming a park to protest, if that is fine, then EVERYTHING should be fine.

Simple answer for those who do not agree: Stay Home.

Let everyone else have the option....have choice.

Let's go back to right before May 1, remember how CNN and several said Georgia is making a HUGE mistake re-opening, it's going to be a disaster. That Governor got pounded.

Welp....over a month later and that sure didn't happen......nor is there mention of it. But had it turned into a disaster, we would have been pounded by that by the media.

And if Baseball players don't get their act together soon.......they are going to let the NHL & NBA show them up. And NBA and NHL players are sweating on each other, slamming into each other, covering each other......baseball by design is already socially distanced, not one fielder is near another fielder.....and the batter to the catcher, well the catcher already has a mask on. How baseball doesn't play comes down to just plain GREED.

I'm sorry but I'll play for my full salary, but not with a paycut, doesn't fly....how many got furloughed, lost their job, or took paycuts. Get your asses out there and do your jobs. Plenty of minor leaguers would gladly come up and take their spots to have a shot. And think of all of the jobs they then are holding up, vendors in and outside the park, security positions, parking lot attendents, etc. etc.....and a lot of these are minority positions as the stadiums are in the big cities.....you want to do something for this movement get your asses back to work to get these people money coming in (and off the street).

And again if you are a player or coach worried, simply answer: Stay Home.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Like someone else stated earlier....it stopped being about that man's death after the first day. There are ulterior motives at play here.

Do you know anyone attending the protests? Have you asked them why they’re there?

[packs]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Fair point......but I just don't like the this is ok but that is not ok (basically told by the media what is ok and what isn't), I'm not saying drop the social distancing, drop the masks, drop everything, 100% back to how it was.....I'm just saying with what we now know, and with 40K jamming a park to protest, if that is fine, then EVERYTHING should be fine.

Simple answer for those who do not agree: Stay Home.

Let everyone else have the option....have choice.

Let's go back to right before May 1, remember how CNN and several said Georgia is making a HUGE mistake re-opening, it's going to be a disaster. That Governor got pounded.

Welp....over a month later and that sure didn't happen......nor is there mention of it. But had it turned into a disaster, we would have been pounded by that by the media.

And if Baseball players don't get their act together soon.......they are going to let the NHL & NBA show them up. And NBA and NHL players are sweating on each other, slamming into each other, covering each other......baseball by design is already socially distanced, not one fielder is near another fielder.....and the batter to the catcher, well the catcher already has a mask on. How baseball doesn't play comes down to just plain GREED.

I'm sorry but I'll play for my full salary, but not with a paycut, doesn't fly....how many got furloughed, lost their job, or took paycuts. Get your asses out there and do your jobs. Plenty of minor leaguers would gladly come up and take their spots to have a shot. And think of all of the jobs they then are holding up, vendors in and outside the park, security positions, parking lot attendents, etc. etc.....and a lot of these are minority positions as the stadiums are in the big cities.....you want to do something for this movement get your asses back to work to get these people money coming in (and off the street).

And again if you are a player or coach worried, simply answer: Stay Home.

You keep bringing up things you want to do, but nobody wants to be at the protests. Nobody wanted what happened to George Floyd to have happened to him or anyone else. Again, I would ask that you consider the motivation behind the things you’re comparing.

[Shoeless Moe]

Biden has been in politics his whole life, since 1973, what has he done to help the black live matters movement, not necessarily named that all those years, but obviously the police bias has been there all that time.

He even served under a black president. And all this was not addressed then. Or if addressed, obviously not enough done.

So now at 77 he's making this his thing?????

Shouldn't he have made this his thing 6 months ago? He just wanted their vote, not to address anything. Now 'cuz it's in the news he's on it.

Just amazing he is the savior and Trump is the evil empire.

I'm still holding out hope for 3rd party entry, but doubtful that will happen at this point.

I am very anxious for their debates. Gonna be two grumpy old men name calling. Stocking up on the popcorn now.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Do you know anyone attending the protests? Have you asked them why they’re there?

I havent asked but i think being stuck at home gives reasons to go out, plus not working, plus also school not in session for the student aged people, plus wearing masks makes it easier to attend, plus decent weather, plus its the 'in' thing to do and join the bandwagon makes it easy to attend on the 10th day etc and yes to aid social justice would be some of those reasons.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Biden has been in politics his whole life, since 1973, what has he done to help the black live matters movement, not necessarily named that all those years, but obviously the police bias has been there all that time.

He even served under a black president. And all this was not addressed then. Or if addressed, obviously not enough done.

So now at 77 he's making this his thing?????

Shouldn't he have made this his thing 6 months ago? He just wanted their vote, not to address anything. Now 'cuz it's in the news he's on it.

Just amazing he is the savior and Trump is the evil empire.

I'm still holding out hope for 3rd party entry, but doubtful that will happen at this point.

I am very anxious for their debates. Gonna be two grumpy old men name calling. Stocking up on the popcorn now.

Biden also commented how obama is well spoken...

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Biden also commented how obama is well spoken...

Wait......confused.....which doesn't take much.....what do you mean?

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by packs

You keep bringing up things you want to do, but nobody wants to be at the protests. Nobody wanted what happened to George Floyd to have happened to him or anyone else. Again, I would ask that you consider the motivation behind the things you’re comparing.

First off did you lose your job? did you get furloughed? did you take a pay cut?

Guessing the answer is No to all of the above. So if not, it's very easy to say keep all these things closed.

The things I want to do is what America wants to do, and all the workers and business owners want us to do, so they can get back to work, and not be told they can't because the Virus takes precedent. Yet Protesting/Looting take precedent to the Virus. Then the Virus.....mmmm not so much. Complete media double standard.

I get it, it's a VERY important issue. But all those Mayors and Governors who said we ALL will die if Georgia opens, and those who gasped at the Ozarks pool party, and condemned the Spring Breakers, but if it's a "Cause" then its ok to not social distance etc, and throw everything they said about saving/protecting lives out the window. Complete media/political double standard.

And what Jake said is true, this is the Perfect Storm, you have everything closed so The Place To Be (to quote Frank Costanza) is to be at these protests. A majority I would say are college students who are out of school, watch this die down quite a bit when schools go back in August. Watch. You also have lots of people of out work so they are going to these as well. Open things up then more of these people protesting will be at work not the protests.
And again there are no bars open, no sporting events, not much else to do. What can you do....go to the protests.....hey now there is music and dancing, it's becoming a party, and since everything else is closed.......The Place To Be.

And again this is a great cause that needs to be addressed, and not just forgotten when the next story knocks it out of the media's focus, but people WANT to be there don't fool yourself. They want to be part of this movement, and if it makes a difference finally GREAT!

[packs]

Well I would suggest you talk to some people participating in the protests and see what they have to say.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Well I would suggest you talk to some people participating in the protests and see what they have to say.

i just saw a bunch of college kids at the corner with signs....i am going to assume they dont know how many unarmed white and black men were killed by police last year....they are out of school right now

to me its easy to protest when you are under 22 or whatever years old and school is out and you have zero responsibility and everyone gives you props for 'protesting' especially on day 14 or whatever when everyone is lauded for how great it is to protest

i think you would be surprised how much has changed in the lifes of protestors now versus the protestors in the 1960s ...the racial makeup of the mayors/state attorneys/national guard/police is a lot different then just 40 years ago but you can correct me if i am wrong

its a worthy cause, i not saying there is no racial injustice but to say its like the 1960s when people were risking their jobs and health and not getting instagram follows and likes and celebrity endorsements is a whole different situation ...and the amount of money raised is amazing

if we lower funding on police are we prepared for them to stop using the body cameras.... i thought that was a great thing to do....i think in the floyd matter , there would of been a lot of justice and body cameras would of been available and lawsuits regardless the protests...not sure police departments will want to continue to condone behavior which costs their departments 100s of millions of dollars in lawsuits. ..it used to be when charges were not never brought or the case was lost in court then you would see protesting...

also forget getting millions in future lawsuits when the money stops going into police departments.....i hope people have thought it out..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Wait......confused.....which doesn't take much.....what do you mean?

google it

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

google it

Ah....I see it now.......now it's starting to make sense why Biden is hiding in his basement & has kept quiet for the most part. Whenever they (Biden or Trump) talk, they just both sound like stooges (shameless plug).

Trump can wrap up this election if he just shows empathy (which won't happen) and/or puts together a commission to address the racial bias problem.

The protesters with the "Defund the Police" signs are just morons. Yah let the community police themselves, that's a great idea.....please test that FAR from my house. Should last about a week. If that.

I was just get used to the New Normal, and now we're gonna have a New New Normal, I can't keep up.

[cardsagain74]

It almost feels like o/t to mention it in this thread after all the politics , but the only "stock market madness" lately has been how insanely strong the market technicals have been since the late March lows.

Since 2009 the big money has stayed invested like their money has impunity there. Never seen anything like it in all my years of trading (or before)

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

It almost feels like o/t to mention it in this thread after all the politics , but the only "stock market madness" lately has been how insanely strong the market technicals have been since the late March lows.

Since 2009 the big money has stayed invested like their money has impunity there. Never seen anything like it in all my years of trading (or before)

We have had artificially low interest rates since then. Money can't sit without earning interest, so it goes into other assets like real estate or the stock market (or high-end cards.)

I've been noticing nice 1960s flannel jerseys that are all original are getting very strong prices lately.

[cardsagain74]

Originally Posted by Mark17

We have had artificially low interest rates since then. Money can't sit without earning interest, so it goes into other assets like real estate or the stock market (or high-end cards.)

I've been noticing nice 1960s flannel jerseys that are all original are getting very strong prices lately.

I know the economics behind it. But it still shouldn't be as simple as "interest rates are zero, so I always have a big advantage in the stock market". Someone with the most basic understanding of finance could have seen that for the last dozen years now and made a fortune, and obviously nothing should be that easy.

At least not usually. That was my point though; this is a rare time that it has been.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by cardsagain74

I know the economics behind it. But it still shouldn't be as simple as "interest rates are zero, so I always have a big advantage in the stock market". Someone with the most basic understanding of finance could have seen that for the last dozen years now and made a fortune, and obviously nothing should be that easy.

At least not usually. That was my point though; this is a rare time that it has been.

funny how every day past 3 weeks on CNBC the 'experts' keep saying will have a drawback of about 10%-20%...market is overvalued etc.

If market goes up they dont get criticism, its when you say the market is great and it goes down you get criticism not the other way

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

funny how every day past 3 weeks on CNBC the 'experts' keep saying will have a drawback of about 10%-20%...market is overvalued etc.

If market goes up they dont get criticism, its when you say the market is great and it goes down you get criticism not the other way

It's like a weatherman saying it may rain. He can't lose.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i just saw a bunch of college kids at the corner with signs....i am going to assume they dont know how many unarmed white and black men were killed by police last year....they are out of school right now

to me its easy to protest when you are under 22 or whatever years old and school is out and you have zero responsibility and everyone gives you props for 'protesting' especially on day 14 or whatever when everyone is lauded for how great it is to protest

i think you would be surprised how much has changed in the lifes of protestors now versus the protestors in the 1960s ...the racial makeup of the mayors/state attorneys/national guard/police is a lot different then just 40 years ago but you can correct me if i am wrong

its a worthy cause, i not saying there is no racial injustice but to say its like the 1960s when people were risking their jobs and health and not getting instagram follows and likes and celebrity endorsements is a whole different situation ...and the amount of money raised is amazing

if we lower funding on police are we prepared for them to stop using the body cameras.... i thought that was a great thing to do....i think in the floyd matter , there would of been a lot of justice and body cameras would of been available and lawsuits regardless the protests...not sure police departments will want to continue to condone behavior which costs their departments 100s of millions of dollars in lawsuits. ..it used to be when charges were not never brought or the case was lost in court then you would see protesting...

also forget getting millions in future lawsuits when the money stops going into police departments.....i hope people have thought it out..

Well said...protests used to be when a verdict came out that people didn't like...someone was elected they didn't like....

In this instance the cops got fired and are being tried for murder. Yet the protest continue. Will they protest if the cops are found guilty too? Makes you wonder.

[gawaintheknight]

That may have been how they started, but they have now become protests against systemic racism and police violence across the country. Kind of like the Boston Tea Party - it may have started off as a protest against a tax on tea, but it became something a lot bigger.

Ted

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Well said...protests used to be when a verdict came out that people didn't like...someone was elected they didn't like....

In this instance the cops got fired and are being tried for murder. Yet the protest continue. Will they protest if the cops are found guilty too? Makes you wonder.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

That may have been how they started, but they have now become protests against systemic racism and police violence across the country. Kind of like the Boston Tea Party - it may have started off as a protest against a tax on tea, but it became something a lot bigger.

Ted

I really wish there was more protest about black on black violence. All black lives matter to me, not just their dealings with the police. Plus if you look at the number of deaths in comparison.

2 of the officers involved just joined the force and on their probation period. The killer cop was giving them orders as he was a 15+ year or whatever veteran. I get that the training was terrible but i wont be suprised if murder charges are not found on the 2 rookies...then we will see some real protesting if that happens..

[Shoeless Moe]

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I like the idiots calling for the Police to be eliminated, like in Minneapolis, those protesters will never be happy because that ain't happening, but if it does that town will burn in a matter of days.

Here's how it will go when you have no PD:


"911, what's your emergency?"

"My house is being broken into and I think they have guns."

"Ok, stay on the line, I have thoughts and prayers on the way."

LOL......yep...that's pretty much it. No police is akin to socialism. Everyone wants it until they live it and realize how crappy it is.

[gawaintheknight]

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by gawaintheknight

That is not, in fact, what is being called for. If you want to learn about the movement, which is admittedly very poorly and inaccurately named, you can go here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...olice-1007254/

The basic idea is the police would continue to perform the function you are joking about, protecting people and property from violent assault, but they would no longer do a lot of the things we've come to expect them to do and which they aren't really trained to do. From the article above:

"Police themselves will admit this — that they are being called to respond to situations beyond the scope of their job. “We’re asking cops to do too much in this country,” Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in 2016, after five of his officers were targeted by a mass shooter. “Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve. Not enough mental health funding, let the cops handle it… Here in Dallas we got a loose dog problem; let’s have the cops chase loose dogs. Schools fail, let’s give it to the cops… That’s too much to ask. Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”"

You focus on preventing problems caused by social forces like racism, poor education, and poverty rather than relying on heavily armed people to deal with the consequences of those problems even though it's outside of their training. So you take money from the police and shift it to after school programs, addressing homelessness, treatment for mental illness, drug abuse prevention and treatment, and things like that. Makes sense to me, but it's a stupid name because it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions about what it intends to do.

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

i agree with helping with the society's ills, schools, housing, poverty etc but have you seen how the money is actually spent and how many deaths have been caused by police versus by citizens on citizens...the mayors and many politicians keep promising to shift money to these areas for years and now they are blaming the police....

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think you need to cover all things at all times. This protest and movement is about something specific and we've already seen reforms take place, with others up for vote in their respective state and federal governments.

If you feel so strongly for your causes these protests should give you hope that your protest may be successful as well.

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

however if there is focus on one thing and its like 5 down on the chain...there is only so much money and attention people will go all in for a period of time...theres an opportunity cost of focusing on one thing which may not be the ideal thing by far

If these issues are important to you I would urge you to organize. Protests are meaningful.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

If these issues concern you then I would urge you to organize.

next time people are stuck at home for 4+ months and no sports and government pays several trillion we will get another chance.....happens all the time i guess..

right now there are the haves and have nots in terms of organizing and raising funds....if you fit certain criteria you have a much better chance for that to happen...

[2dueces]

Anytime anyone links anything from Rolling Stone I immediately think of the National Enquirer. Nothing but BS. In the 70’s it was the only source that expressed the real views of world events and music. Today, just another liberal mouth piece owned by leftists. I’d trust CNN or gas station sushi before I’d ever read RS again.

[gawaintheknight]

Fine. Is Forbes magazine far enough to the right for you?

KEY FACTS

In its most general definition, “defund the police” means to redirect some funds for police departments to other areas such as education and healthcare while its most radical interpretation calls for completely dismantling police departments and replacing it with a social services-based approach, which Minneapolis may be on track to doing after the City Council voted to disband the city police department.

At first glance, it appears to be a reaction to police brutality, but its origin runs deeper: left-leaning activists and academics have argued for decades that the U.S. spends far too much on security and not enough on social welfare.

At all levels of government, the U.S. spends roughly double on police, prisons, and courts what it spends on food stamps, welfare, and income supplements, The Atlantic reports.

Some “defund the police” proponents argue the U.S. relies on police to do too much; they envision mental health workers and nurses responding to drug overdoses, instead of police officers.

Cities such as Eugene, Oregon, Austin, Texas, and Camden, New Jersey have tried versions of this approach, and Minneapolis could be next: the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday pledged to disband its police department and invest in community-based public safety programs, though it’s not clear what the next steps will be.

For now, though, “defunding the police” appears most likely to succeed as reducing — not defunding, which implies zeroing out — police budgets. On Wednesday, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti announced he is throwing out plans for a massive police budget hike and redirecting funds to address problems in the black community.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbre...-really-means/

[bobbyw8469]

You are claiming that social welfare is needed. Can it be as simple as the black community raising kids without fathers?? Some of these young women are having 5 and 6 kids with nary a man in sight. These kids are being raised in poverty from the get go. Naturally, most resort to crime as it is the easiest path to embark on.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

You are claiming that social welfare is needed. Can it be as simple as the black community raising kids without fathers?? Some of these young women are having 5 and 6 kids with nary a man in sight. These kids are being raised in poverty from the get go. Naturally, most resort to crime as it is the easiest path to embark on.

Let's talk about social welfare. Aren't we seeing social welfare at work right now? Isn't it keeping millions of people from the brink of homelessness? How many people are on unemployment, collecting an extra $600 a week to keep them afloat? How many people are having their evictions stayed? Their foreclosures stayed? Taking advantage of the government suspending student loan payments? Eating free meals provided by public and private assistance? Getting free medical tests? Taking out free small business loans?

Where would the country be right now without social welfare?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

Let's talk about social welfare. Aren't we seeing social welfare at work right now? Isn't it keeping millions of people from the brink of homelessness? How many people are on unemployment, collecting an extra $600 a week to keep them afloat? How many people are having their evictions stayed? Their foreclosures stayed? Taking advantage of the government suspending student loan payments?

Where would the country be right now without social welfare?

Absolutely , but the working class is/will end up paying for it/paying it back. Not really true Social Welfare. The "disadvantaged group" in the case will have the ANSWER FOR TAKING what was handed out, and have the burden of PAYING FOR THOSE WHO DONT.

Edited to answer part 2

Where would we be? Worse off that we are for sure.


Call me insensitive, where would we be if we never closed the country and had these "hand outs" (again ones the working people will have to pay back) awarded in the first place?

The working class was stunning not as affected by this deadly disease, but they will bear the brunt of paying for it

[packs]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Absolutely , but the working class is/will end up paying for it/paying it back. Not really true Social Welfare. The "disadvantaged group" in the case will have the ANSWER FOR TAKING what was handed out, and have the burden of PAYING FOR THOSE WHO DONT.

So what? Shouldn't people with means pick up the slack for those who don't? Isn't that what makes a community strong? Or on a larger scale, a country?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

So what? Shouldn't people with means pick up the slack for those who don't? Isn't that what makes a community strong? Or on a larger scale, a country?

I certainly do, in my quarterly payments to the IRS. It doesn't mean we should reward bad behavior. Some people need assistance, others might be poor, but they ain't stupid. Doesnt there come a point where the burden gets too high?

[packs]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I certainly do, in my quarterly payments to the IRS. It doesn't mean we should reward bad behavior. Some people need assistance, others might be poor, but they ain't stupid. Doesnt there come a point where the burden gets too high?

Isn't it too high right now? People are just collecting an extra $600 a week for doing nothing. People aren't paying their rent. Their mortgages. Some people are making more money on unemployment than they did working. Is that the bad behavior you're talking about?

But we're doing it anyway because people are still people and they need to survive. I don't hear anyone calling for an end to social welfare programs as long as they're on one. Do you know anyone who returned their stimulus check? Anyone calling for themselves to be evicted because they can't pay rent? Anyone saying the free meal services should stop allowing them to eat free meals? I'm really not sure what the alternative is that you're suggesting.

[Republicaninmass]

Yes the burden too high now, and yes making more on unemployment than going to work is an issue. Why go back to work, where is the incentive? How can the working class possibly pay back all the "advances" they have been given.

Maybe make people work to get their government cheese in the future? A required job to get a check.

Make people further their education?

I dont have the answer, but it doesn't mean I cant see a problem.

I agree "a person's a person, no matter how small."

Thanks, Love Horton

Anyhow, let's not derail the subject. People tossing their extra 600 into the stock market and cards, no need to save for a rainy day! Onwards and upward (mobility) what a community And country should be about.

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[packs]

The point I'm trying to make is that a lot of people tend to point fingers without realizing they're benefitting from the same system. I predict you'll have a lot of people in different circumstances 3 or 4 months from now who will forget all the help they got when they needed it.

[Republicaninmass]

And I'm saying, is the finger pointers are (can be) rightly so, since they are (mostly) the ones who will pay it back.

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[packs]

If you're worried about your tax dollars going toward helping people eat you should see some of the other things you're paying for.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

If you're worried about your tax dollars going toward helping people eat you should see some of the other things you're paying for.

Typical spin. Go to the lowest common denominator. That's exactly what I'm worried about.


I'll go one step lower down the ladder you have just established.

Maybe if they are eating fast food, and selling food stamps and baby formula for crack, I'm concerned. How about the hummers and range rovers littering the parking lot of NYCHA housing complexes. Gold chains and 1k sunglasses, while kids purposely go fatherless on paper to collect that cheese amd a place to live.

They ain't stupid, just poor!

I'd add you to my ignore list , but your posts are too amusing.



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[bobbyw8469]

I don't understand why people who can't afford to feed themselves have no urgency about their situation. And then they are having kids when they can't afford to feed themselves. Is it because they know someone will take care of them? Are they rewarded for having kids? This is a problem.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't understand why people who can't afford to feed themselves have no urgency about their situation. And then they are having kids when they can't afford to feed themselves. Is it because they know someone will take care of them? Are they rewarded for having kids? This is a problem.

This is literally the exact situation many people are in right now. People who had jobs and then lost them through circumstances beyond their control. This pandemic should be a wake up call to everyone who doesn't understand how someone finds themselves financially insecure, food insecure, and home insecure without means to change their circumstances.