T205 Piedmont 42's

[T205 GB]

In the last few yrs the t205 pied 42's have become a sought after back. The price increase on tougher and HOFers have made some almost unobtainable in decent mid grades. They are a scarcer back than most and ha become a widely recognized back to obtain. Do you think that the 42s will continually increase in demand and possibly command BL and AB green prices? Granted some of the tougher card like K White seem to have a good amount, others like Evers, Scanlan, Schulte, and more are very tough to get with a 42. Price trends are showing great increases across the board though for all. Any thoughts on this?

[poorlydrawncat]

Thanks so much for posting this! I was inspired to take a peek through my T205 Piedmonts to see if I had any factory 42s as I've never really paid attention to the factory numbers. Sure enough...




The best part is I was choosing between this and another T205 Mathewson from another seller. I chose this one because it had pinholes/back damage and was a bit cheaper

[Ease]

I definitely think they will continue to increase in price and demand, maybe not into Broad Leaf territory though. As the t206 rare backs get pricier, folks may gravitate to t205 rare backs and drive up prices imo.

[Al C.risafulli]

That Matty is awesome.

-Al

[familytoad]

I don't know what the future holds for P42's but I suppose that similar to T206, eventually us T205 collectors will start to migrate mostly towards rarer backs and miscuts. Once you've seen enough of the fronts on T206's (which are everywhere), I guess you have to look for some variety. Same could happen to T205.

With my own collection, I have a full set of mostly common backs, and have started gathering Cycles and Sovereign for future sets because I like them. However, I cannot see myself paying big money for a Drum , Broadleaf or worse, a blank back!

I can barely see the factory number on most of my Piedmonts, so I can guarantee that little pair of numerals does nothing for me!
I hope they go sky high so I can sell the couple I got accidentally got and get something I like better!!

[T205 GB]

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see some of the pied 42s of certain players hit prices of BL's. this would be due to scarcity. Especially one found with AB green backs. The green backed AB cards are the end of the backs in scarcity and the 42s are commonly just as scarce if not scarcer than the AB green counter parts. Evers would be a prime example to use as well as Schulte to name a few.

Matty and Cobb are more common with the 42 than the AB green as an example. I guess research and making it available would also drive prices on certain 42s also.

[Seiklis]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I actually wouldn't be surprised to see some of the pied 42s of certain players hit prices of BL's. this would be due to scarcity. Especially one found with AB green backs. The green backed AB cards are the end of the backs in scarcity and the 42s are commonly just as scarce if not scarcer than the AB green counter parts. Evers would be a prime example to use as well as Schulte to name a few.

Matty and Cobb are more common with the 42 than the AB green as an example. I guess research and making it available would also drive prices on certain 42s also.

Just saw an P42 Austin go on ebay, really was thinking about getting it too


Oh well

Edit And the Vaughn...someone's making a run on P42s

[Wite3]

Years ago, I started going after piedmont 42s...I think I posted about the scarcity in general of them back then. People just were not aware of the factory numbers much on t205s.

There just are not enough out there to theorize about scarcity of individual cards in my opinion but like Andrew I do see some come up more than others.

I do not think that any p42 will ever hit broadleaf prices. Some might hit AB prices in my opinion but not many and it will fluctuate. I still see p42s more often than ABs.

They were really high prices for awhile and then went down...now seem to be creeping back up again with the renewed interest in backs and a lot of t205s hitting the market.

Currently I own around 30 different p42s and probably close to 50 total.

Joshua

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by Seiklis

Just saw an P42 Austin go on ebay, really was thinking about getting it too


Oh well

Edit And the Vaughn...someone's making a run on P42s

Maybe a subset collector or someone looking to buy them up and sell again for a mark up. I have a near complete sub set of them. Sold a few off at nationals last yr but they were easily replaced. Also snagged a few very tough ones but paid well for them. Probably 10 away from a subset. About the same way for my ABs but those final few are extremely tough to find such as Matty, Merkle, and Gibson. I have seen then but not FS in the past 4-5 yrs or so

[Mrc32]

The only way they will go up in value is if a bunch of people want them.

IMO, there is a real uniqueness to the t206 backs. The P42 is just a small number on the back of the t205. So I don't think there would ever be but a handful of people that will want to go after them. But what do I know....

[tedzan]

I think the various T205 Factory backs will continue to be in demand (especially the tougher ones). By the time many collectors complete their sets they are "hooked".
It's not easy to shut off the collecting challenge. So, the challenge continues in the form of searching for the tougher backs of their favorite players....or their favorite
team guys with either American Beauty's, Broad Leaf's, Cycle's, Drum's, Hassan, Hindu's, Piedmont 42's, Sovereign's....or, whatever matches their pocketbook.



Here's my "Lone Ranger" P42...."Tonto", and the rest of my P42's have been traded away.

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TED Z

[asoriano]

[Ease]

Sweet cards Ted & Turner.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

In the last few yrs the t205 pied 42's have become a sought after back. The price increase on tougher and HOFers have made some almost unobtainable in decent mid grades. They are a scarcer back than most and ha become a widely recognized back to obtain. Do you think that the 42s will continually increase in demand and possibly command BL and AB green prices? Granted some of the tougher card like K White seem to have a good amount, others like Evers, Scanlan, Schulte, and more are very tough to get with a 42. Price trends are showing great increases across the board though for all. Any thoughts on this?

I think they would get AB prices but not, BL prices. Looking at some of the numbers provided on this forum the 42's and the AB are pretty close, and with a margin of error the 42 may be more rare than the AB. Esp from what I have seen thats been for sale as well as the info on this site.

As for the BL, i dont think so at all.

[nebboy]

I spent about a year researching and buying P-42s. I picked P-42s for the fact that I felt they were mis-understood in terms of value vs scarcity.

Then shared what info I could to update a master list with co-net54-ers.

Currently I have 15 diffrent player. (My Evers is also, along with a few Sps)

I also don't think the prices for p-42s will ever come up to BLs. If you look hard you can still find them not listed as 42 and buy at a 25s price.

[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by familytoad

I can barely see the factory number on most of my Piedmonts, so I can guarantee that little pair of numerals does nothing for me!I hope they go sky high so I can sell the couple I got accidentally got and get something I like better!!

+1. I went through my collection and found 5 (Hemphill, Devlin, Hauser, Ewing, Schulte) which I had no idea I owned. I had to wear two pairs of reading glasses to read them. They don't do anything for me. If the prices jump then I'll dump 4 of them and keep one as a type back.

[Mrc32]

I wonder about the condition difficulties of P42....

Are they harder to find in top grade than say other backs?

I have only one....a Ed Summers that was graded years ago a PSA 5, but I bet it could get a bump if I graded it today.