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Old 01-15-2024, 08:57 PM
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68 clemente disc and 67 clemente disc are identical
Therefore no way to tell the difference so def I nicely not 1 of a kind
1) There is a very slight cropping difference between the 2

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2) The Clemente was cut from an uncut sheet I owned containing a complete set of the 1968 discs - which in part has a different player selection than the 67's

So I am 100% certain it is a '68. None of the other Clemetne discs I have examined match up. Possibly another out there, but as of now 1 of 1.
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https://www.cleansweepauctions.com/item-809493/

The 1951 Hirsch Clothing Frank Frisch can be crossed off the list, there's another one out there.
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Old 01-15-2024, 10:53 PM
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2) The Clemente was cut from an uncut sheet I owned containing a complete set of the 1968 discs - which in part has a different player selection than the 67's.
So does that mean the 1968 Topps Disc Ron Santo that you cut off of the same sheet that I bought from you is also a 1 of 1?
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Old 01-16-2024, 04:26 PM
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So does that mean the 1968 Topps Disc Ron Santo that you cut off of the same sheet that I bought from you is also a 1 of 1?
The only 68's I have seen more than 1 of are Rose (2) and Mantle (3). They are unquestionably more difficult than the 67's. There are some board members and collectors that have been around longer than I though that may have seen others.

Given that I have seen the 2 Roses (owned them both at different times) and 3 Mantles (I owned 2 of them at different times), it suggests the likelihood of others out there. Aside from Rose and Mantle, the ones that came off that sheet were the only examples of each I have seen.
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Old 01-16-2024, 04:38 PM
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players like santo torre yaz are the same in both sets unless theres a millimeter difference...
aaron cepeda mantle and brooks are really the only different issues
if we collect minor cropping differences then every topps set from 52 up has 5000 cards in them
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Old 01-16-2024, 06:36 PM
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if we collect minor cropping differences then every topps set from 52 up has 5000 cards in them
Most Topps cards do not use several differently cropped images as a variation; there are some from certain sheet layouts like the 58 Bunning, but that's not a normal print defect that can happen. A different cropping of the image is a different design of the card. That it is small does not make it meaningless or non-existent.
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Old 01-17-2024, 08:49 AM
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Most Topps cards do not use several differently cropped images as a variation; there are some from certain sheet layouts like the 58 Bunning, but that's not a normal print defect that can happen. A different cropping of the image is a different design of the card. That it is small does not make it meaningless or non-existent.
The discs were clearly issued 2 separate years- that is not in question. So the question is how to differentiate the players that were in both sets and used the same/very similar images. I didn't carefully compare all of them. I did so with the Clemente. There is a cropping difference that makes it easy to differentiate the 1967 disc from the 1968 disc.

Not sure where you are going with the idea of regular Topps cards from a single year having potentially different cropping variations nor how that is relevant to the discussion about the discs?
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Old 01-17-2024, 11:17 AM
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The discs were clearly issued 2 separate years- that is not in question. So the question is how to differentiate the players that were in both sets and used the same/very similar images. I didn't carefully compare all of them. I did so with the Clemente. There is a cropping difference that makes it easy to differentiate the 1967 disc from the 1968 disc.

Not sure where you are going with the idea of regular Topps cards from a single year having potentially different cropping variations nor how that is relevant to the discussion about the discs?
...Read the post I quoted above the reply and it will all start to make sense what is being said and by who...
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The discs were clearly issued 2 separate years- that is not in question. So the question is how to differentiate the players that were in both sets and used the same/very similar images. I didn't carefully compare all of them. I did so with the Clemente. There is a cropping difference that makes it easy to differentiate the 1967 disc from the 1968 disc.
Howard, I posted about the differences awhile back on my blog, you're even name-checked! https://www.thetoppsarchives.com/202...nt-eleven.html

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Cool topic. Here's a contribution to the pile of "one knowns" being shared here... Of the 19 currently known signed 1952 Topps Mantles, this is the only one with a "playing days" autograph. Signed on Friday March 29, 1968, at Payne Field in Sarasota FL, before a Spring Training game with the White Sox. Though we'll never know what could be lurking in someone's attic or basement out there, it tickles my imagination to consider the possibility that, based on the 19 that have surfaced, this could be the first '52T card that Mick signed

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Old 01-17-2024, 10:32 AM
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Wow I had no idea that there is only 19 Mantle rookies autographed… I thought the number would be much higher!
Very cool one of a kind piece !
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Here is one from Cuba during the 53 - 54 season of Dick Sisler when he played for Havana, I never seen another one intact with stamp from that season I purchased this at Collingswood Flea Market in NJ in the late 1990’s
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Pretty sure this is the only 1949 S&K card that Lefty ever signed:



Never seen another of these either:



1982 Hank Aaron from Korea:



No more of these either:



An Israeli Cassius Clay ca. 1970:



1951 Ringside salesman sample with Rocky Marciano RC on it:



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Here's a 1940 Play Ball printed with color.
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Not a card but one of a kind autograph during the Miss America Pageant in Atlantic City NJ it was signed by Nancy Moore Miss South Carolina when I met her as a kid with my Dad during the NJ Fireman’s Convention
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Default 1963 Jello Original art

I know an unopened box of 1963 Jello with a Brooks Robinson card on the back recently sold for BIG $$$$. While that may be the only Brooks Robinson known unopened of all the thousands of boxes that were produced, here is a true 1 of 1.

Shown for your viewing pleasure is original Jello camera ready production art for the Jello baseball set with the Brooks Robinson and 4 other HOFer's Ashburn, Ford, Cepeda and Mathews and a similar portfolio with Killebrew, Marichal, Roberts, Frank Robinson and Aparicio I have similar ones for Post Baseball as well

Wording from an old auction listing says:

Phenomenal one-of-a-kind copy art poster board lay-outs used in the production of the 1963 JELL-O gelatin baseball card promotion. Each illustration board is impeccably preserved in the original hard cover folio and identifies the gelatin package(s) on which each card is to appear, while the paste-up sheets reflect General Foods art department proofing notations. Each illustration board and individual card lay-out is oversized in comparison to standard box panel and card dimensions, measuring approximately 5" X 3?."

Unlike the 1963 Post cereal poster board lay-outs, the JELL-O mock-ups are aligned in 2 columns of 4 cards (total of 6 for the 3 ounce packages, and 3 columns of 3 cards (total of 9) for the 6 ounce packages. These illustration boards were then sent to rotogravure printers to produce the plates that ultimately yielded the individual JELL-O packages on the grocer's shelf. Original Kodachrome prints of players appearing in the set, which feature the photography of Art Shay. Advanced collectors will also marvel at the photograph variations attendant to cropping of the prints and placement of the photos within the overlay sheets.
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