At least 14 Florida Marlins test + covid

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

How does what you want come into play when you're talking about a virus you have no control over. It's not like everyone returned to run concession stands or parking. What is the difference?

Not what i want...its what THEY want, free country, if the government doesnt shut it down, restaurants are still open, so are department stores.....people work in many places in which they come home to high density housing..

if they want to play play so bi it..plus there are lot more jobs that just concession and parking at risk......i think they will need another breakout before contemplate another season

and to address another posters point, the players are most likely asymptomatic..

its not going to be a 'real' championship....all hands on deck! A lot of minor league players who never would of had a chance to play MLB are getting that chance this year....you will see years from now a lot of MLB players who only played 98% or more of their MLB career in 2020.

Florida covid positivity rate is at 11% right now that last few days..if in a week or so its in single digits....it would be getting close to 5% which most experts agree you can have an open economy at that point....

[packs]

Why is it important to note they're asymptomatic? That has nothing to do with your ability to spread the virus to someone who isn't. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

Why is it important to note they're asymptomatic? That has nothing to do with your ability to spread the virus to someone who isn't. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

The point was that they didnt know they were sick the poster seems to think that the players who were sick should of let people know, my point is they probably didnt know they were sick ..

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

The point was that they didnt know they were sick the poster seems to think that the players who were sick should of let people know, my point is they probably didnt know they were sick ..

That's not true though. Three Marlins tested positive before Sunday's game and the team as a whole still decided to play, which resulted in another 11 tests.

The Marlins did not consult the Phillies about their decision.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by packs

That's not true though. Three Marlins tested positive before Sunday's game and the team as a whole still decided to play, which resulted in another 11 tests.

The Marlins did not consult the Phillies about their decision.

Right we already knew about those 3., we are now talking about the ones that were not removed from playing yesterday...they may not have been symptomatic is the point..

[packs]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Right we already knew about those 3., we are now talking about the ones that were not removed from playing yesterday...they may not have been symptomatic is the point..

No, I think the point is the Phillies probably wouldn't have played in the game if they knew the Marlins were contending with a possible outbreak in their clubhouse. I think the secondary point is the Marlins should not have played a game knowing they were potentially dealing with an outbreak in their clubhouse.

[ibuysportsephemera]

To some extent the players have themselves to blame. I watched parts of all 3 of the Mets games and I can tell you that social distancing at times was a joke (and contact could have been avoided).

Jeff

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

Why is it important to note they're asymptomatic? That has nothing to do with your ability to spread the virus to someone who isn't. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

If this percentage of their roster has it, and was asymptomatic, a heck of a lot more of MLB may have it and are asymptomatic. At what point do we let them play? When not a single person tests positive after then how many days?

Try to have a post you dont edit, I did see one this thread! One post at a time my friend.

[D. Bergin]

To think Clint Frazier was called a sheep for wearing a mask during game play.

He was rewarded by being sent back down to the training facility after two games and no game play.

I used to think he was a bit of a knucklehead, but it turns out he's the smartest player on that team.

[KMayUSA6060]

MLB has been playing without the Marlins for the majority of the time since basically 2004. Just continue the season.

They expanded the rosters for a reason. Many flu outbreaks have occurred over the years and the MLB didn't shut the season down. Those who didn't want to "risk" getting COVID-19 had the option to opt out. Those who were ok with the "risk" are playing. So Play Ball.

[Lorewalker]

I say call the season out of an abundance of caution. I "watched" a game. Not sure much will be lost. As mentioned the fan noise back track and the cardboard cuts out is a bit too artificial for my taste. Players did not seem to be that into it either. Just another cost to outlasting the pandemic.

Anyone know what the TV ratings have been for the games that have been played?

[Rhotchkiss]

I don't know (and will not opine on) whether baseball, or any other sport, should be played this year. But I do know this thread has the making of a massive train wreck. The discussion will 1000% devolve into fighting and politics.

I am claiming "I told you so now". Boy will this be a good read (unfortunately).

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I don't know (and will not opine on) whether baseball, or any other sport, should be played this year. But I do know this thread has the making of a massive train wreck. The discussion will 1000% devolve into fighting and politics.

I am claiming "I told you so now". Boy will this be a good read (unfortunately).

+1

[packs]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

If this percentage of their roster has it, and was asymptomatic, a heck of a lot more of MLB may have it and are asymptomatic. At what point do we let them play? When not a single person tests positive after then how many days?

Try to have a post you dont edit, I did see one this thread! One post at a time my friend.

Being asymptomatic does not mean you can't transmit the virus to someone who doesn't have it. You will test positive for the virus when you're asymptomatic. I really don't know what you're suggesting when you say let asymptomatic players cohabitate with people who don't have the virus at all.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by packs

Being asymptomatic does not mean you can't transmit the virus to someone who doesn't have it. You will test positive for the virus when you're asymptomatic. I really don't know what you're suggesting when you say let asymptomatic players cohabitate with people who don't have the virus at all.

Now you are lying. I didnt say let them play once theyve been tested. I said probably many more havent been tested that are asymptomatic. Please stop the insinuations as you will have to edit even more of your posts.

In peoples humble opinion, How long do we keep mlb cancelled? Until not a single player test positive for how many days? What if MLB players are immune to these novel virus symptoms, but older coaches and owners and ones with comorbidities are?

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[packs]

I thought you were suggesting it was safe for asymptomatic players to play. Sorry for misunderstanding.

MLB policy is that if a player tests positive the player has to test negative twice 24 hours apart and have no fever for 72 hours before they can become active again.

[packs]

I guess a number thresh hold would be when a team can no longer field a team under the policy guidelines. But that's probably only if numbers are the sole determination.

[Snapolit1]

Whole season just seems forced and unnecessary. And that was my opinion a month ago. Doesn’t feel like a real season at all. And I think it sends a
Message to kids in little league, college ball, etc. that athletes don’t need to follow the rules that are being articulated. Players not even following the safety protocols their union fought for. Went to a little league game last week and hardly a mask in view
Anywhere.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Whole season just seems forced and unnecessary. And that was my opinion a month ago. Doesn’t feel like a real season at all. And I think it sends a
Message to kids in little league, college ball, etc. that athletes don’t need to follow the rules that are being articulated. Players not even following the safety protocols their union fought for. Went to a little league game last week and hardly a mask in view
Anywhere.

The little league and travel team games around here have been going for a while, they started while the MLB was still fighting with itself. No masks anywhere around then or now.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

The little league and travel team games around here have been going for a while, they started while the MLB was still fighting with itself. No masks anywhere around then or now.

Finally, a ray of sanity. Just curious though. Where is "around here"?

[insidethewrapper]

Same here, little league etc are playing but the Major Leagues need to shut down ? I thought this is why the rosters were expanded ! If players got sick from the virus the additional players would step in from their pratice facilities. If you test positive leave the team for 14 days and get a negative test before you return and let the rest of the players play. Again the players are not wearing masks in the dugout and not practicing social distancing.

[36GoudeyMan]

This is not about freedom to work; its about freedom from involuntary exposure to a potential lethal pathogen. I don't care if someone wants to work in their basement. I care if someone wants to work in a physical space that has any non-zero potential to kill someone else. I watched the Nationals games. Repeated non-mask wearing, physical contact, no social distancing, and that affects the players AND the staff, clubhouse staff, dugout staff, media, etc., etc. It also affects and puts at risk people in hotels, airports, and anywhere the players go or gather for any reason (see Clippers’ Lou Williams story). I admit I'm a flaming liberal, but here I am pro-life -- mine, yours, our families, and our neighbors. There is NO good reason, except entertainment, for this dangerous environment to host sports in the manner MLB has chosen. The season is an illegitimate joke anyway. Why risk players' health, their families health, and their organizations and communities' health?

[Exhibitman]

You know, there's a really, really good argument for going on regardless of how many get sick and are sidelined--on a battlefield. The baseball park ain't a battlefield and the a sports season isn't a war. I would love to see sports resume but not at the cost of getting people sick. And these are meaningless exhibition games in the biggest asterisk season ever. Canned crowd noises and cutouts in the stands? What a joke. I guess to complete the synthetic experience if I decide to watch a game I should park my car a mile from my house and tuck a $20 under the wiper blade, then eat a bad hot dog and flush $10 down the toilet. And since I am in Los Angeles, find someone to beat the crap out of me in a parking lot.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by 36GoudeyMan

I care if someone wants to work in a physical space that has any non-zero potential to kill someone else.

Those people have the right to remain in their bunker, which is still probably a non-zero potential.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by 36GoudeyMan

This is not about freedom to work; its about freedom from involuntary exposure to a potential lethal pathogen. I don't care if someone wants to work in their basement. I care if someone wants to work in a physical space that has any non-zero potential to kill someone else. I watched the Nationals games. Repeated non-mask wearing, physical contact, no social distancing, and that affects the players AND the staff, clubhouse staff, dugout staff, media, etc., etc. It also affects and puts at risk people in hotels, airports, and anywhere the players go or gather for any reason (see Clippers’ Lou Williams story). I admit I'm a flaming liberal, but here I am pro-life -- mine, yours, our families, and our neighbors. There is NO good reason, except entertainment, for this dangerous environment to host sports in the manner MLB has chosen. The season is an illegitimate joke anyway. Why risk players' health, their families health, and their organizations and communities' health?

Got news for you, we likely will be living with Covid next year as well maybe even years later. Will always be non-zero death potential for years to come. 20-30% of people are not going to get a vaccine. By the way some people die when having a vaccine, its not a non-zero potential thing to do as well

There are people dying of heart disease and cancer that would of been saved had there not been a shut down.

A high percentage of the Covid deaths occurred in nursing homes.. Theres a reason Florida has far less death than New York even though there were more infections in Florida

Driving a car to look around for no apparent reason has zero benefit but there is not non-zero potential of death..

You guys need to stop taking all your news from just CNN...

Football risk of head injury is far worse then Covid risk in terms of health down the line...they didnt cancel football forever...

[bdk1976]

Originally Posted by 36GoudeyMan

This is not about freedom to work; its about freedom from involuntary exposure to a potential lethal pathogen.

Maybe I'm missing something - can you fill me in on how exactly players are being involuntarily exposed to this 'potentially' lethal pathogen? Last time I checked players can - and are - opting out of playing. Sounds like the very definition of voluntary to me.

How many of the infected Marlins (or any other MLB players) are going to die as a direct result of this 'horrific' outbreak? My prediction: zero.

If we were discussing a nursing home - where the majority of fatalities in my home state (58%) have occurred - you might have a point. Otherwise I would suggest running for office as your nonsensical hyperbole is a nice fit for that shameful occupation!

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by tschock

Finally, a ray of sanity. Just curious though. Where is "around here"?

I'm in Cleveland, and I don't consider groups of people getting together like this to be particularly smart.

[Bugsy]

I wish they would just end the season. Players opting out, others in quarantine for two weeks at a time, short schedule, half the teams get a playoff seed...if my team won it all this year, I wouldn't consider them a World Series winner. I would rather everyone stay healthy than continue this farce.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by tschock

Finally, a ray of sanity. Just curious though. Where is "around here"?

I have 4 grandsons playing little league. Some of the kids wear masks, others don't. Some of the spectators wear masks, some don't. One of the kids team was postponed for 2 weeks because a family member tested positive. People seem to be social distancing, for the most part. When the season started, the bleachers were off limits and the kids couldn't use the dugouts, but now that has changed. The home plate umpire calls the balls and strikes from behind the pitcher to limit his exposure to a bunch of kids.

I live in a rural area of Wisconsin, and most people are not taking the virus seriously.

[Den*nis O*Brien]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I have 4 grandsons playing little league. Some of the kids wear masks, others don't. Some of the spectators wear masks, some don't. One of the kids team was postponed for 2 weeks because a family member tested positive. People seem to be social distancing, for the most part. When the season started, the bleachers were off limits and the kids couldn't use the dugouts, but now that has changed. The home plate umpire calls the balls and strikes from behind the pitcher to limit his exposure to a bunch of kids.

I live in a rural area of Wisconsin, and most people are not taking the virus seriously.

.....In rural Northern Wisconsin the "Culture War" is in full bloom. Wearing a mask is inviting scornful looks. But confederate flags fly freely from pick up trucks. A local grocery store, the only one in a small community, has never had the essential workers wear masks or installed plexi glass shields at check out. We had a check out worker ask us last week "Where do you buy masks?" Talking to someone taking the virus seriously is Rare.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Den*nis O*Brien

.....In rural Northern Wisconsin the "Culture War" is in full bloom. Wearing a mask is inviting scornful looks. But confederate flags fly freely from pick up trucks. A local grocery store, the only one in a small community, has never had the essential workers wear masks or installed plexi glass shields at check out. We had a check out worker ask us last week "Where do you buy masks?" Talking to someone taking the virus seriously is Rare.

I live in a small town in the eastern sierras about 200 miles northeast of the L A sprawl. Our town has a small, and I mean small, grocery store sitting on Highway 395, the only one we have. This means every traveller out of southern california goes through town, stopping for food, gas, etc etc. and fucking up our people.

Since the shelter in place order has been lifted in California, and people are free to move around, the infection rate has doubled in our area and increased FIVEFOLD in Mammoth Lakes, CA. So our local store has a no mask no entry no service policy. And they enforce it. I was in the store checking out when some unmasked road warrior entered the store, no mask of course, and ignored the clerk. So the clerk 911’ed the guy. So you all know, I am fine with that. We have very few resources up here; half the town, including me, are retired seniors, mostly educators, and our emergency service people are all local volunteers. Our local school is also very small and has decided to reopen as usual, using masks, social distancing, etc. and the school is too small to field a football or baseball team. Hunh. I am OK with that as I have seen how the locals have responded to COVID. All I can say to dirtbags not respecting the locals is you deserve what you get. Don’t come through, piss on our gate and expect a shrug and a pass. Patience up here is gone.


I was fortunate to finally get back fusion done in Carson City after nearly a two year wait compounded by COVID. No one got inside this hospital without masks and temp checks AND being on a list of scheduled patients. Meanwhile, back in L A, my nieces decided after weeks of isolation to have a family get together, share some time, food, etc. and eight of eleven are now COVID positive. We may lose a nephew. No one seems to know who was the source. Not funny at all.

I know this is all anecdotal but this is NOT the flu. It is NOT OK if some 80 year old dies of COVID. It is NOT OK to ignore Local health ordinance. As for baseball, play the damn season. Shut down a team like the Marlins for a couple weeks, enforce a quarantine, and let this thing play out. Maybe the MLBPA needs to be held accountable for any breach, I don’t know, but an outbreak should not get a pass. Lock the f*ckers up. No travel, no clubbing, no grab ass, no nothin’. Playing is a privilege, not a guaranteed right. Enjoy your stay at Holiday Inn.

[cannonballsun]

Originally Posted by Den*nis O*Brien

.....In rural Northern Wisconsin the "Culture War" is in full bloom. Wearing a mask is inviting scornful looks. But confederate flags fly freely from pick up trucks. A local grocery store, the only one in a small community, has never had the essential workers wear masks or installed plexi glass shields at check out. We had a check out worker ask us last week "Where do you buy masks?" Talking to someone taking the virus seriously is Rare.

I'm from Louisiana. I understand why many people do (as well as many don't) like and wave the Confederate flag. I don't get why anyone up north would like and wave a Confederate flag.
I can only think of one reason. It seems to be a proud proclamation that the Confederate flag waver up north is a racist. Am I wrong ? What would the other reasons be ?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I live in a rural area of Wisconsin, and most people are not taking the virus seriously.

Large parts of the country that are now seeing significant increases in cases are places that also weren't initially taking the virus very seriously. Somehow other countries were able to get things under control by having a nationwide strategy that relied on the best scientific evidence available at the time. It's unfortunate that the same thing couldn't happen in the US.

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

And I think it sends a
Message to kids in little league, college ball, etc. that athletes don’t need to follow the rules that are being articulated.

I think that ship sailed long ago. LOL

[Shoeless Moe]

I've been coaching little league kids since end of May ZERO problems.

In Illinois Sunday 1 Covid death - a 90 year old man. No offense but 90!!!! Please.

Shut the world down, because someone dies from a disease.

PATHETIC!

Play ball!

Shut everything down until every person on Earth is safe. What a joke!

Oh no a few healthy 20 years olds tested Positive oh no Shut the season down. Everyone back to their basements.

IDIOTS!!!

[Fred]

2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcmwPYCUysw

This whole year is pointless... feel free to pee in my Cheerios if you're offended by that.

What? Nobody enjoys it when the broadcast crew raises the volume on the cheering when the home team hits one over the fence or someone makes a great play?

That was the beauty of baseball - over a long season, things usually "even out" so to speak. IF it lasts 60 games, it'll be interesting to see how it all ends... I'd like nothing more than watching the San Francisco Giants battling it out with the the Kansas City Royals for the WS title.

[1952boyntoncollector]

interesting to see this thread with peoples opinions and than what really happened...haha

[BobbyStrawberry]

So now we're bumping years-old threads as an additional forum for anti-vax rants?

Perhaps Leon could do us all a favor and lock these COVID threads. Personally, I'd love to see the Watercooler section return to being a place of civility.

[Snapolit1]

Another adult who thinks kids playing little league is the most important thing in the universe. A few in my family. As if you have any freakin idea if some kid in the leagues' 80 year old grand mother died from something she got at a family reunion from someone who got it from her grandson who got it at a little league game.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I've been coaching little league kids since end of May ZERO problems.

In Illinois Sunday 1 Covid death - a 90 year old man. No offense but 90!!!! Please.

Shut the world down, because someone dies from a disease.

PATHETIC!

Play ball!

Shut everything down until every person on Earth is safe. What a joke!

Oh no a few healthy 20 years olds tested Positive oh no Shut the season down. Everyone back to their basements.

IDIOTS!!!

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Another adult who thinks kids playing little league is the most important thing in the universe. A few in my family. As if you have any freakin idea if some kid in the leagues' 80 year old grand mother died from something she got at a family reunion from someone who got it from her grandson who got it at a little league game.

It's important kids play, it's important kids go to school.
Do u even have kids mouth?

[Shoeless Moe]

Each and every parent has thanked me and continues to thank me for getting their kids out and playing. None were forced to play. None however refused. Each one I asked said YES.

Grandma needs to stay home.

There are ways to beat this if you are smart, masks, social distance.

Over 2 months ZERO issues.

As for MLBs same thing, do it right and you will be fine. And they are young. They're fine. Keep playing and for those of you who don't like it, don't watch.

I'm in Chicago and lucky to have very good radio announcers, listen to the game on the radio if you don't like the visual of it. Just like the old days!!

You old sticks in the mud need to learn to adapt to a problem and make the best of a bad situation......or continue to moan like old ladies.

Can't wait for the playoffs!!!!!

[steve B]

Lucky you

Massachusetts is running around 2-300 new cases a day, and 10-20 deaths. We were about half that a month ago.

The people I know in the medical field also say that just because you don't die doesn't mean you aren't messed up, sometimes permanently.

By all means though, keep on not taking it seriously.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I've been coaching little league kids since end of May ZERO problems.

In Illinois Sunday 1 Covid death - a 90 year old man. No offense but 90!!!! Please.

Shut the world down, because someone dies from a disease.

PATHETIC!

Play ball!

Shut everything down until every person on Earth is safe. What a joke!

Oh no a few healthy 20 years olds tested Positive oh no Shut the season down. Everyone back to their basements.

IDIOTS!!!

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by steve B

Lucky you

Massachusetts is running around 2-300 new cases a day, and 10-20 deaths. We were about half that a month ago.

The people I know in the medical field also say that just because you don't die doesn't mean you aren't messed up, sometimes permanently.

By all means though, keep on not taking it seriously.

How am I not taking it seriously? I wear a mask, social distance, etc. What else do you need me to do that will make YOU happy? Stay in the house and not come out for a year or 2? Yah not gonna happen.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

How am I not taking it seriously? I wear a mask, social distance, etc. What else do you need me to do that will make YOU happy? Stay in the house and not come out for a year or 2? Yah not gonna happen.

Yes so people.that have lived, traveled, worked, and maybe some whom haven't made healthy life decisions, can prevent children from being educated, traveling, and one day retiring.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

What else do you need me to do that will make YOU happy? Stay in the house and not come out for a year or 2? Yah not gonna happen.

Only through November 3, if things go their way that night then 90% of this will disappear overnight.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by steve B

Lucky you

Massachusetts is running around 2-300 new cases a day, and 10-20 deaths. We were about half that a month ago.

The people I know in the medical field also say that just because you don't die doesn't mean you aren't messed up, sometimes permanently.

By all means though, keep on not taking it seriously.

My friend that works in a hospital says that if they find Covid 19 in a patient, they get up front money from the federal govt to pay, so if the patient comes in from a car accident, they test for covid and if positive they get the money and it counts towards the covid statistics even if the person dies from traumatic injuries from the car accident

the stats are skewed...yes one is too many but we cant prevent all death in everything....the increase in murders of under 35 year olds from this year to last as already exceeded the number of under 35 deaths to covid... i really think CNN and Fox etc should keep a toll of deaths from other causes they exceed last years numbers when they put up the covid deaths to keep everything in prospective

[D. Bergin]

Alright, I'm going to say this once, and then I'm going to go away. I'm not debating about freedom, or "right to work", or anti-vaccination nonsense, or any of the misguided nonsense going on in this thread or the other one in the Watercooler section.

For those who think this is a worldwide conspiracy against "The Grand Orange Poobah", you can kindly "Go F.... Yourselves".

I think it's really cute people are still comparing this to the flu. If you wanted to play that game back in February, when you could claim to be misguided by the Chinese or whoever the f***...........fine............if you are still doing it, you're the reason why we're devolving into a 3rd world country and the rest of the world is laughing at us, or concerned we're going to be a permanent hot spot they can never do business with again.

I have a sister who's stationed at an Air Force base in South Korea. She's seeing how they've handled it, and how we're handling it over here, and we're a literal laughing stock..........which I'm sure many in this country are obliviously proud of.

Firstly, my uncle contracted Covid back in March. Early 60's, strong as an ox, still golfs, swims and plays rec league basketball regularly. Hospitalized for three weeks. No ventilator, but was put in an oxygenated room, Covid still wrecked through his system, got sepsis of the liver, and 5 months later he still hasn't really completely recovered. He's had the flu before, this isn't the flu.

Lastly, my wife lost both of her parents to Covid, in a 3 week span between April and May. They were not on their deathbeds already when it took them. The flu takes people in 1st World Countires who are already (for the most part) on their deathbeds, Covid puts them there. They were not living in a nursing home. They were not in hospice. They were not convalescing. They were in their early to mid 70's at the time. They were exposed by somebody who had it and didn't know they had it, during a trip to the hospital for an unrelated issue.

My mother-in-law received a dose of Trump's "miracle drug", had a major cardiac event hours later, and died. Then her body was actually misplaced in a refrigerated truck because of the Covid backlog at the hospital and unable to be found for several days.

My father-in-law spent 3 weeks fighting on a ventilator before he passed. Much of it in agony and unable to communicate properly when he was awake. The medical bills that the family saw for the pair of them after they passed, that was submitted to the insurance companies, approached $1 Million bucks. If you think the pittance the government gives to hospitals for Covid cases, are grotesquely skewing the statistics in Covids favor........you don't know how hospitals work. Anecdotal bullsh*t does not skew statistics that badly.

The only person who could visit them while they were sick, was my sister-in-law, who just happened to be a medical professional at the hospital they were being treated at. My wife (a former medical professional herself), was sewing triple filtered masks for her sister and the hospital she was working for, as they couldn't restock in supplies fast enough at the time.

The dual memorial service for her parents was about 20 minutes long, in a cemetery, with less then 20 people in attendance and spread out over the grounds. Unbelievably, I still saw idiots show up to a goddamn Covid funeral without masks on. But hey, "Freedom".........amirite?

My wife was unable to tie up any emotional loose ends she had with her parents, before they passed.

CNN didn't tell me this, the portion of "the media", that involves fact checkers and non-opinion pieces that a lot of this country seems to hate, didn't tell me this, Dr. Anthony Fauci didn't tell me this.

I lived this with my wife, and she still lives with it today. She has to deal with supposed friends asking her about "underlying conditions" her parents had. She has to deal with the underlying rage that builds up when she sees store clerks without masks on in close proximity to other people, or even worse, people who enter a store she is in with a mask, to get past the front gates, and then proudly rip off their mask, the second they get past that first line of defense, and then sneer at her, like she's some "sheep", for keeping her mask on.

If you think these are "Acceptable Casualties" and consequences of this virus, on behalf of my wife I will happily say "F**k You!".

Sincerely, Me.









P.S. Not looking for condolences or sympathy.....just for people to open their eyes. If Leon wants to disappear this entire thread and the other one, I'm all for it. I see enough of this sh*t everywhere else already.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

My friend that works in a hospital says that if they find Covid 19 in a patient, they get up front money from the federal govt to pay, so if the patient comes in from a car accident, they test for covid and if positive they get the money and it counts towards the covid statistics even if the person dies from traumatic injuries from the car accident

the stats are skewed...yes one is too many but we cant prevent all death in everything....the increase in murders of under 35 year olds from this year to last as already exceeded the number of under 35 deaths to covid... i really think CNN and Fox etc should keep a toll of deaths from other causes they exceed last years numbers when they put up the covid deaths to keep everything in prospective

The guy who runs the funeral home says he sees lots of cases where people "survive" but die a month or two later from damage it did to other organs.

If someone is younger, they may have lung damage that may not heal, heart problems, cognitive impairment, Chronic fatigue, Blood clots.
Most of these are also known side effects of other coronaviruses, like the version that causes SARS.

Big surprise that letting people out of prison raises all sorts of crimes. Who could have imagine that.....

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Not what i want...its what THEY want, free country, if the government doesnt shut it down, restaurants are still open, so are department stores.....people work in many places in which they come home to high density housing..

if they want to play play so bi it..plus there are lot more jobs that just concession and parking at risk......i think they will need another breakout before contemplate another season

and to address another posters point, the players are most likely asymptomatic..

its not going to be a 'real' championship....all hands on deck! A lot of minor league players who never would of had a chance to play MLB are getting that chance this year....you will see years from now a lot of MLB players who only played 98% or more of their MLB career in 2020.

Florida covid positivity rate is at 11% right now that last few days..if in a week or so its in single digits....it would be getting close to 5% which most experts agree you can have an open economy at that point....

It’s not a free country, Jake. There are laws to restrict freedoms for the public good. The public good would be served if baseball was shut down before these teams travel around the country infecting as they go.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

It’s not a free country, Jake. There are laws to restrict freedoms for the public good. The public good would be served if baseball was shut down before these teams travel around the country infecting as they go.

so do many other groups of people but at least in baseball they are getting tests almost daily and have a bunch of money tied into keeping people safe..at least a lot better than the other groups of people that would be on the similar flights as them or people using public transportation.

the risks are very low.....shutting down things can also be deemed against the public good and the public good can be argued to being better served as not shutting things down.....its not all in a vacuum.

They allow group social protesting right..thats considered much bigger than the pandemic (according to health experts on CNN at least) ..too me if there are other things more important than the pandemic than dont really need to get into the public good argument about some ballplayers..