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Old 08-01-2021, 10:49 AM
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I had a few objectives for this years National.

1. Talk with PSA about my 1915 Cracker Jack Ty Cobb that was graded Authentic Altered. I purchased this card from REA and they submitted it raw and it came back as Authentic Altered due to a very small spot on the back of the card that they thought had been altered. I was convinced that the card had NOT been altered and wanted a senior grader at PSA to take another look and give an opinion.

2. Find and purchase a nice looking 1907 Dietsche batting Ty Cobb.

3. See in person a few cards currently at auction that I am bidding on as well consign a few things with REA.


Thursday morning I just happened to be talking with Levi Bleam of 707 at his booth when Joe Orlando walked up and we all started talking. After about 10-15 minutes of talking I asked him his opinion on the card and he directed me to have it looked at again by PSA. I was able to immediately get the card back to them to review. A couple of hours later I got the good news that the card was reviewed and they agreed that the card wasnít altered and I got it back graded as a PSA 2. Needless to say I was thrilled and pleased. Itís such a beautiful card and presents as a NM.

On Friday, I was able to make a deal for a great looking PSA 3 Dietsche Cobb. I searched all over Thursday and I only saw two for sale at the whole show which included the one I purchased.

It was crazy busy and from talking to many dealers a VERY profitable National. Canít wait until next year.


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Old 08-01-2021, 10:57 AM
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Thursday morning I just happened to be talking with Levi Bleam of 707 at his booth when Joe Orlando walked up and we all started talking. After about 10-15 minutes of talking I asked him his opinion on the card and he directed me to have it looked at again by PSA. I was able to immediately get the card back to them to review. A couple of hours later I got the good news that the card was reviewed and they agreed that the card wasnít altered and I got it back graded as a PSA 2. Needless to say I was thrilled and pleased. Itís such a beautiful card and presents as a NM.
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congrats...that's a big SUCCESS I'd say!!!!
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Congratulations on the upgrade and the Dietsche Todd, both beautiful Cobbs.
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Congratulations on the Cobb (both Cobbs actually)! That is a great looking PSA 2. It's nice to see some of the vintage from the show. All the posts I've watched on YouTube have focused on the new shiny stuff and the prices. Glad to know there's still some people looking for the vintage material.
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Old 08-01-2021, 11:11 AM
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I had a few objectives for this years National.

1. Talk with PSA about my 1915 Cracker Jack Ty Cobb that was graded Authentic Altered. I purchased this card from REA and they submitted it raw and it came back as Authentic Altered due to a very small spot on the back of the card that they thought had been altered. I was convinced that the card had NOT been altered and wanted a senior grader at PSA to take another look and give an opinion.

2. Find and purchase a nice looking 1907 Dietsche batting Ty Cobb.

3. See in person a few cards currently at auction that I am bidding on as well consign a few things with REA.


Thursday morning I just happened to be talking with Levi Bleam of 707 at his booth when Joe Orlando walked up and we all started talking. After about 10-15 minutes of talking I asked him his opinion on the card and he directed me to have it looked at again by PSA. I was able to immediately get the card back to them to review. A couple of hours later I got the good news that the card was reviewed and they agreed that the card wasnít altered and I got it back graded as a PSA 2. Needless to say I was thrilled and pleased. Itís such a beautiful card and presents as a NM.

On Friday, I was able to make a deal for a great looking PSA 3 Dietsche Cobb. I searched all over Thursday and I only saw two for sale at the whole show which included the one I purchased.

It was crazy busy and from talking to many dealers a VERY profitable National. Canít wait until next year.


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Brilliant show, Jeff. Congrats.
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Congrats Todd. Now that's a successful show.

Always great to hear stories like this!
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Congrats! Thanks for sharing!


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Thanks everyone. I appreciate it.


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Great Card Man !! Wow Beautiful
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Thanks for sharing. Your story was so much shorter than most but oh so rewarding!

I have been watching alot of youtube videos this week from the National and I really do feel sad for alot of them and the younger kids there as they have no knowledge or appreciation of vintage.

You put that Cobb done next to a shiny Doncic Rookie and they would go for the New basketball card 9 times out of 10 (un-official of course lol).

I saw one video where the videographer collected all new stuff and a vintage collector walked by and he asked him "if you collected new stuff who would it be?" The guy was like.... "I just collect vintage so I'm not sure". The kid then says well would it be Mahomes? The guy says yeah I guess. The kids like "so you just collect vintage.....thats cool" He then proceeded to interview 20 other guys that collect new stuff!

UGH!

You did very well this week. That Cobb deserved to have a numerical grade and it's the best 2 I've ever seen! Congrats on that and the postcard!

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I always figured knowing Orlando was worth a 2 grade bump haha, I am just surprised Joe still has the juice.

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Nice to know they are so easily convinced. Good grief.
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Well done, Todd. Now then, how about telling us what you learned during your 10-15 minute chat with Joe Orlando?
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Was Joe there in an official PSA capacity or did he talk about what his next venture might be?
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How the heck did they only give that a 2? Are there defects that we aren't seeing? On the back?
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How the heck did they only give that a 2? Are there defects that we aren't seeing? On the back?
No offense to Todd but I agree with Conner it would be interesting to hear from the grader that changed the grade. In the REA description it says the reason for the authentic grade was it was an album removal that impacted the text and an apparent attempt to reattach that area. In the scan it does look like the post area in postpaid has the typical paper pull you see in a lot of album removals.

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Nice to know they are so easily convinced. Good grief.

I actually wanted a grader to explain why it was initially graded as altered.

I certainly donít hold any pull with them and that was the first time I had ever met or even talked with Joe Orlando. He only told me who I should talk to so that a senior grader could look at it.

Yes, the card certainly had been in an album and some of the print on a small portion of the card was lightened when the card was removed. I was certain that nothing had been done to the card and after getting it because seeing it person other than a scam you can easily see that nothing was applied or added which is why I wanted a review of the card. Nothing but the actual condition of the card warranted the grade that it ended up getting.

The auction description was written after the card was graded and since it was graded as authentic/altered the auction description writer most likely assumed that it had been altered. Most auction write ups are written off a scan/pic of the item and not the actual item itself sitting in front of the auction writer.

Seeing the card in person and under magnification rather than just from a scan shows why I was convinced that it wasnít altered.

I am happy that I bought it but I have to feel a little bad for the consigner because the initial grader at PSA cost that person a pretty good amount of money.


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Joe said he was attending the show on his own and under no affiliation with PSA. He mentioned about how nice it is to actually attend a show as a spectator and be on the other side of the table. We mostly talked about music and concerts.

I know there were many issues at PSA that should have been publicly addressed and handled much differently under Joeís run but I certainly wasnít going to bring them up and address them. He was actually pleasant and a nice person to talk to.


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In post #18, the ink in the letters "post" of "postpaid" appears to have an added greenish tint. Is this just an anomaly in the photo, or does the print really look like that?
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