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Posted By: pete ullman
it sounds like you're having buyers remorse. you should have all necessary information prior to entering a transaction or you're at risk of being taken for a ride. we've all been ripped off in our lives and it sucks...but ultimately if we do...it's usually our fault. |
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Posted By: FYS
I guess the only real question of integrity is whether or not Esposito really had $700 into the card? If he really only had $550 into the card does that make him unethical? How many dealers are 100% honest when explaining how much they have into a card? A dealer could consider business burden into the price of each card i.e. buy price = $550 + $10 for shipping/insurance + 30% of cost to cover overheads (advertising, tables, travel expenses etc.). So depending on the individuals cost calculation, that skews things a bit. In my business, I have a set burden rate for overheads of about 15% of total sales. This means that I have to add 15% to my raw costs just to break even i.e. 20% gross margin = 5% net margin. |
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Posted By: MW
Can you post an image of both cards? |
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Posted By: Rick
what a long post ... |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
a W514 in great shape is just a strip card in great shape. I never got the CJ Gandil, because i never saw one when I had the money to buy one (and I saw very few). Horizontal--nice card, but in great shape, |
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Posted By: Joe K.
Ted- |
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Ted- |
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Posted By: al davis
you made a couple of bad deals, but you don't have anyone to blame but yourself. i assume you weren't drunk and no one had a gun to your head. lack of information was your biggest problem. a dealer can ask for any price he wants......nothing wrong with that. if you don't agree, just move on. |
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
Thank you gentleman and julie, i don't have a scan of the gandil yet, the jackson is here: |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Whether or not his information was legit, you pursued a trade, were denied, and then pursued it again with a sweetened pot. Where is the culpability on the part of the dealer? He didn't go out of his way to "rip you off". He is then under no obligation whatsoever to let you renege on a completed transaction that you fully initiated. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
I dont think he owes you anything,not even an apology because youre not happy.You really have to know what youre getting into when youre dealing with numbers that high and being in business to make money i see nothing wrong with what he did.If this was a close friend of yours id say it would be wrong to lie(if in fact he did) but this is not. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
pretty easy to come by, and CJ Gandils are hard to come by...even if he DID retire to California with $80 that wasn't his...or maybe because of that. |
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
As a follow up, many of you have valid points, and believe it or not i agree with you. Yes this is a lesson to not only myself but hopefully to others that no matter what, if you don't know what your buying (inside and out) don't buy it unless your willing to take the chance. |
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Posted By: zach
Hey Ted, you talked about this in the chat and said you weren't going to bring it to the board because of everyone including yourself was tired of these moaning types of posts. The seller was in the wrong imo but also just doing what he does best, deal and try to get to dollar. Yes, he was dishonest and trying to make a few extra bucks but that would have never happened if you would have read up on the card. Once again I know this really sucks for you but you are at fault and the seller was dishonest. Whenever you have a gut feeling like that just walk away. |
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
Zach i wasn't going to bring it up until his email responses to me. Most of which was left out of this post b/c it's not directly relevant. Once again, I KNOW I DID NOT DO MY RESEACH. Had i done my research this would have never happened. I don't expect a pardon or anyone to cut me a deal b/c i screwed up. At no point did i even intimate that i wanted someone to say boo hoo. I was simply looking for people's opinions about the transaction. |
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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
Ted: |
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
Al - |
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Posted By: David Vargha
Ted, you are wise in your future approach. Although there are a great many wonderful people to deal with in the card collecting community, especially here on this board, "caveat emptor" is always the order of the day. Unfortunately, almost every one of us here has learned the hard way that there are certain people to avoid doing business with. |
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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
Thanks David, |
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Al - |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
Just thinking about buying graded cards. How many dealers will tell you, |
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Posted By: joe maples
After seeing that SGC graded the Jackson, I still wonder why they did not grade this Cobb strip. Joe |
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
lol...grading strip cards is kind of pointless (more so than with other cards). That jax was the only one that i ever bought and got graded. Since i bought it at the national i said what the hell and did the onsite grade for like 10 bucks. No biggie. So operating under those premises ... yours looks terribly short for the standards (legitimate or not). What does it measure top/bottom and left/right from TOP/BOTTOM/LEFT/RIGHT. In otherwords...you should have four measurments. |
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Posted By: joe maples
The measurements in the books say 1 3/8 x 2 1/4. I measured this card and it measures left side 2 5/16 that is longer than 2 1/4, left side is the same 2 5/16. Top measures 1 3/8 which is correct. Bottom is 1 5/16. Bottom 1/16 short. I only posted this because of the way the Jackson looks on the left side bottom, it looks a little short. |
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Posted By: cmoking
that's a great looking Cobb! great expression on his face. |
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Posted By: BlackSoxFan
once again, operating under the assumption that the cards should be graded in the first place, the jackson cut in at an angle on the lower left side but was straight at the left and measures "appropriately" at all other points of the card. Your card appears to cut in on both sides at the bottom. Then again, i'm not really sure what the standards for grading are in the first place, and then again, i don't think that a strip card should be evauluated in the same "perspective" as non-strips. I have a ton of ungraded strip cards (i like em cuz they look neat to me and they are relatively inexpensive)...i'll post them sometime in the next millenium on my site ... but i would say that your card didn't grade b/c it's way to thin on the bottom. |
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Posted By: cmoking
Great meeting you Ted. |
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Posted By: identify7
Maybe I am being over critical here, cmoking, but that Cobb looks to me as if he has his false eyelashes on, and his lipstick, and he is ready for a night out with the boys. |
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Posted By: Al Crisafulli
Ty Cobb is rolling over in his grave right now because you said that. |
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Posted By: identify7
Anybody who knew how to make millions of dollars 100 years ago, don't pay me no mind. |
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