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Posted By: Tom Lawrie
I finally got tired of all the shots at Don Betz over VCBC's quality and the periodicity of release. A few points: |
#2
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
Don is always a pleasure to speak with, and he's very accessible. I also agree with you about all the pot-shots taken at people during the early issues. It was entertaining, but sometimes seemed to go overboard. Don will have better success at keeping subscribers happy if he makes it clear that it is not a monthly publication. You can blame it on the subscribers if you'd like, but many customers have left because of the sporadic publication. |
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Posted By: Tom Lawrie
any editing problems with the Alpha article in this issue (footnotes in particular) are strictly my bust, as I literally gave Don only a few hours to read and format the article. He had absolutely no time for making corrections. I had also promised him all of the images that I referenced, but I was too technologically inept to produce usable scans. I figured this out too late in the game to redo the article. Hopefully I can produce some usable pictures for a later issue. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
You said in the "Alpha" article that Allegheny and Fan Craze cards were printed on paper stock; they aren't. Fan Craze is printed on an elegant thin cardboard. Allegheny cards are printed on inelegant medium-thick cardboard.You said Alphas were unlike the other two in that they didn't have gloss. Fan Craze cards are glossy, but Allergheny cards are not. |
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
Definitely card stock |
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Posted By: Tom Lawrie
I expressed my thoughts poorly in the article. I meant Alleghenys in general appearance only; with the gloss/paper v. cardboard comment, I was referring only to Fan Craze (but I neglected to make that distinction) and to decks of playing cards in general. |
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Posted By: Tom Lawrie
After rereading VCBC, I failed to include my argument for why Keeler and Clarke were likely produced. The argument basically is that they appear on almost every other image derived from the original Perkins photos, with a consistent picture in each (e.g. the Betz cabinet, Guy's Pennant Souvenir, the Baltimore American 30 September 1894 team portrayal, etc.) Both players were on the team previous to the 1894 campaign, and both played in subsequent years for the Orioles. There is no logical reason that substitutes and last-minute pitchers would be included, yet Clarke and (especially) Keeler would be excluded. Why produce 14 and not all 16 players? No good explanation other than they were made but have not been located. |
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
for thin or thick paper - they are card stock. If you refer to them as thick paper, you should also refer to modern baseball cards as thick paper, because they are about the same. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
Paper is like M101-2s. You cannot shove a piece of paper in a semi=-soft to transport it; you can shove (gently put) a Fan Craze in a semi-soft to transport it. |
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
Julie - I know you are very serious about protecting your collection, so that's kind of odd. Sounds like that woodcut is a good candidate for matting and framing. |
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Posted By: David
Julie, you can trim the woodcut without effecting the integrety or reducing the value. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
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#13
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Posted By: Brueso
Well, those are some compelling reasons to explain a late issue. But as someone who wanted to subscribe but has read the horror stories about subscribers never getting any issues even after being told repeatedly via phone that they are "going out the next day", or getting issues very late compared to other subscribers, I again reiterate- why should I take a chance on a publication that seems to have so many problems putting issues in the hands of subscribers? If only one person had posted such a problem, I might write it off, but there have been several. I wouldn't care if an issue didn't come out monthly- but right now VCBC seems like an E-bay seller who has quite a few negative dings on its record- and that includes regarding the delivery of issue #30. How do most of us respond when we see that kind of feedback? |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I never really expected a monthly; Dennis Purdy announced in one issue (close to the end) that he was trying to go monthly, but that never really materialized. |
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Posted By: leon
Since there is really no other publication like it and we now know they get shipped whenever they are ready, why give up on it? Old addages usually ring true....better late than never.....I am still waiting for #31 in Texas (actually they might not be able to find my igloo)....regards all |
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Posted By: Tom
in KY.........still no #31........... |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Brueso
according to a prior thread, even after repeated assurances it was on its way- AFTER others had received theirs weeks earliar. That's the kind of thing that makes me reluctant to even get started. |
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
but he's right - there is no other publication like it in our hobby. If the wait starts getting to you, just call Don Betz and gripe a little - so far, it has worked for me. Not that I get my issues any quicker - I'm still waiting for #31 also. |
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Posted By: Cy
From the sounds of the people on the board, not only is there no other magazine like it, there is no magazine, period. |
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Posted By: David
I agree on all points with Cy. If it's coming out every three monthes, why not just call it a quarterly or even 'occasional' and everyone will be happy. If, when I had bought it, it was advertised as a quarterly, I wouldn't have any gripe. |
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Posted By: petecld
Now Cy - don't go confusing people with common sense. |
#23
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Posted By: leon
I agree with you that it is a business and as such it/they need to live up to their promises. As you also pointed out it is supply and demand. Since there are no competitors (supply), and quite a bit of demand, we are sort of hostage. The auction houses have much competition so have to give great service or folks go elsewhere to consign/buy. Bottom line for me is that I know I will eventually get it so I just forget about it and when I do get it I am pleasantly surprised....no, it's no way to run a business but it's just a small annoyance that I forget about...There are so many other bigger problems....(no, I am not a defeatist either)....regards all.... |
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Posted By: petecld
Does anyone know what the circulation figure is for VCBC? How much of a demand is there? |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Does anyone out there understand why a magazine that theoretically ships the same day takes so long to get to certain places? I mean, how is it that month (well, couple of months) after month the mag drags for weeks before filtering into so many areas? Any postal wonks out there willing to take a shot at it? |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
how long it takes PSA, sometinmes, to get you your cards back? |
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Posted By: Jeff Obermeyer
I understand what Julie is saying with regards to Priority Mail - it certainly will get the issue to you faster, especially on the West Coast. However, it also increases the cost significantly... the new rate for Priorty Mail is $3.85. Add that to the subscription price of almost $6 per issue ($68 for 12 issues), and you're looking at a cost of about $9 per issue. That's a lot. |
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
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Posted By: Tom Lawrie
I buy my copy of VCBC in person, so I haven't had the pleasure of waiting for weeks for delivery. Issue #31 actually carries a Letter to the Editor discussing that very gripe. Here's the letter and Don's response: |
#30
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Anthony
#31 made it to West L.A. last nite, thought I was always the last (SCD often arrives 3-4 weeks late, but then there's rarely anything in there worth reading anyway). Seemed like Don has a renewed bit of energy in regards to the magazine- can't wait for the next issue. |
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Posted By: scott (runscott)
after all, I won this nostalgic blast from the past this morning: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1842484007 |
#33
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VCBC is stronger than it ever was!
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Is it just me or are others still waitng for the latest issue, too? |
#34
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VCBC is stronger than it ever was!
Posted By: Jeff Obermeyer
VCBC arrived in Seattle on July 15. |
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Posted By: Jaime Leiderman
Not Yet |
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Posted By: Paul
It arrived in Southern California yesterday, July 17th. |
#37
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VCBC is stronger than it ever was!
Posted By: Mike Williams
anxiously! |
#38
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
back to the |
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Posted By: leon
Arrived in Texas.....to my igloo today....regards all |
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VCBC is stronger than it ever was!
Posted By: Tim Sedlock
What I do not understand is why does it take several weeks (over time) for everyone to (finally) get their copy when it is supposively sent out at the same time? This has happened to the last couple issues and there are still people who have not received it. Why? |
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Posted By: Brueso
to subscribe to this magazine. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Still not here yet. Must be out with OJ looking for the true killers. I feel so alone. . . |
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VCBC is stronger than it ever was!
Posted By: scott (runscott)
Most of us have had one or more magazine subscriptions at some point in our life and it is quite common for them to arrive in a timely manner, without any special shipping requests on our part. It is completely reasonable for subscribers to expect VCBC to be able to do this as well, once they get their ducks lined up in a row - the big question is how long will it take? |
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Posted By: John(z28jd)
i tried getting a subscription from them about 2 years ago,and never got it after waiting 6 weeks so i would say,it takes at least 2 years(so far). I dont care how good the magazine is,i would never recommend anyone ordering a subscription to this,just way too many bad stories.youre right it shouldnt take more than a few days difference between the time everyone gets their magazine. best solution is to split a subscription with a few other people,whoever lives closer get it sent to them first,and then read it,copy it,and pass it along,and the last person would still get it sooner. judging by some peoples delivery time,the magazine will be vintage by the time they get it. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
which is why I fell in with Betz' suggestion that he send VCBC priority. VCBC is the only magazine which I totally FAILED to get, December before last. I'd always bamed it mainly on the postoffice: "oh. a white envelope. Not very important. We'll deliver it sometime." Even my SCD comes in the most random order! |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Besides the normal mail for a busy law practice, I get SCD, Sports Illustrated, Time, Vanity Fair, Travel & Leisure, Food & Wine, and three legal journals, and yet none of them arrives late. I also get scads of pre-sorted first class junk every day. I could paper my house with the credit card offers alone. It ain't the mails. |
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Posted By: David
All my bills arrive on time, though they're sometimes late leaving. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
sometimes david? no wonder why you have to dress in 3x5 index cards.....did you find the ralph erickson autograph for me? |
#49
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Posted By: john(z28jd)
sometimes i remember to sign my name to my posts |
#50
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VCBC is stronger than it ever was!
Posted By: David
If you win the current 3x5 lot, I will do my best to make sure a Ralph Erickson is in there. Otherwise, you'll have to settle for a Roky Erickson. |
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