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Don't watch/read these ones either of Matt Taibbi, on the day he was to testify in congress, getting audited by the IRS. It's just a coincidence. I assumed this shit only went on in communist, crooked types of countries, but I guess, based on what we've seen with this current administration and all the lies and corruption they've exhibited, one shouldn't really be surprised. https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/...B-5AcILGXST1WQ https://youtu.be/tzDUik0O46U
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Just saw this.
A top official in Democrat President Joe Biden’s administration recently told Congress that “natural immunity is not something we believe in.” Gil Cisneros, Biden’s undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, made the statement while arguing the case for vaccine mandates for members of the U.S. military. Cisneros made the claim shortly after a British study showed prior infection protects people as well as or better than vaccination. The armed forces will instead continue to push service members to take the COVID-19 vaccine “and boosters,” Cisneros declared. He continued by denying an inspector general’s report that officials reviewed Christians’ requests for religious exemptions only 12 minutes before dismissing them. “We don’t know about natural immunity there, as far as how it works and how effective it is,” replied Cisneros after Rep. Jim Banks (R-IN) raised the U.K. study during the congressional hearing. “There’s no good evidence and the research is still going on as to how we need to progress with this,” said Cisneros. “But as for right now, natural immunity is not something we believe in for this, and so we are still moving forward.” |
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right so still no lawsuit if get sick from shot and emergency rooms are not full.....emergency room full argument thus is flawed.. |
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Still hoping something will change so you can get some work?
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How bad is the recruiting crisis? During the last fiscal year, the Army missed its recruiting goal by 15,000 active-duty soldiers, or 25 percent of its target. This shortfall forced the Army to cut its planned active-duty end strength from 476,000 to 466,000. And the current fiscal year is likely to be even worse. Mar 10, 2023 China siding with Russia and even talk or in the works about having their own currency making the U.S. no longer the world's reserve currency. Africa is already lost to the Chinese and South America is turning too. It goes on and on. New world order, agenda 2030? So much going on that isn't being talked about by MSM or our govt's. I'm not smart enough to figure it all out but I believe we, (like us up here) are being sold down the river. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C39wFqCOmag
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your still secretly working for the drug companies it appears
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Do 90 percent of medical doctors believe in natural immunity to covid..
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You have also never once answered my question or denied you are just trolling for work. |
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I miss the days when there were often reasonable sides to a debate and the debate was sometimes rooted in some semblance of facts that were acknowledged by all, the debate mostly stemming from details and differing values rather than the outright refusal to use an evidentiary basis whatsoever all around. It was not very long ago when many issue debates were reasonable and rooted in a basic evidentiary basis, but differing values and weights of priorities. We're down now to a total appeal to the authority of the state on most issues vs. a reactionary opposite belief. I can't wait to see what the next hot topic is. Can people be otters? Are you as good as committing murder if you don't take a basic flu vaccine? What is going to kill us all in just 10 years if we don't act right now? |
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You seem to like to repeat the idea that scientists are perpetually claiming that humans will perish from climate change "in 10 years" I am not as familiar with this widespread scientific claim. My understanding is that climate scientists are pointing out that climate change has already caused significant change to our environment, and that further inaction will lead to dire consequences in the future (such as much of the United States being submerged under water) if not dealt with in the next 10 years or so. This is because carbon dioxide, methane, and other molecules that absorb infrared heat stay in the atmosphere for decades. So inaction now, has a cumulative effect. It is basic science that CO2, methane and other greenhouse gases exist and trap heat. Without them our planet would be a frozen ball of ice. The reason that the surface of Venus is so much hotter than Mercury, despite being further from the sun, is because its atmosphere has so much CO2, a phenomenon that Dr. Carl Sagan called a runaway greenhouse effect in his 1960 PhD thesis. Too many greenhouse gases will lead to temperatures that humans and other animals are not evolved to live in and will melt all land-based ice, causing massive sea-level rise and ocean acidification (CO2 is acidic). Some of the most dire consequences will not occur in our lifetimes, but will be caused by the build-up of these gases during our lifetimes. Last edited by cgjackson222; 03-30-2023 at 12:52 AM. |
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I'm surprised you aren't familiar with the 10 years until its too late and we are doomed story. Here's some I pulled up from the left within a time limit of 30 seconds searching from the political and institutional left. I'm sure you can find dozens of others easily as the 10 vital years framework has been a frequent talking point of the political left for decades. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clima...b6a7bfb4c1827c https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-...report-1300873 https://news.yahoo.com/the-world-has...210017930.html "governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control"! In 1989! : https://apnews.com/article/bd45c372c...964ea547880cd0 Quote:
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So yes, inaction between 1989 and 1999 has put us on a trajectory to alter our planet in ways beyond our control. And here we are in 2023, having done relatively little about. Much of the inaction is because of people like yourself that seem to think climate change is humorous. |
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"UNITED NATIONS (AP) _ A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ″eco- refugees,′ ′ threatening political chaos, said Noel Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program, or UNEP. He said governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect before it goes beyond human control." "Beyond human control", a recurring motif from the left, that we have just 10 years, not that it will get slightly worse in the next 10 years. Boy, that sure sounds completely different from your rephrasing! And I'm the one who can't read. The irony. If X tells you in 1989 that Y is beyond fixing in just 10 years and produces terrible consequences, and then in 1999 they tell you that Y is beyond fixing in just 10 years and produces terrible consequences, and in 2009 they tell you Y is beyond fixing in just 10 years and produces terrible consequences, and in 2019 they tell you that Y is beyond fixing in just 10 years and produces terrible consequences, you wouldn't realize the hyperbole? You wouldn't question that? That would make sense to you? You wouldn't think that's a fear narrative? It would take incredible stupidity to not realize something has been overstated at the least. Yes, those of us who can do basic math are killing the planet. I'll be at the same beach at the same coastline in 10 years while you're preaching that we have just another extended 10 years before the 1989 narrative comes to be. Can't wait for it. |
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How the likes of you and others can't see the obvious lies, the obvious grift this all is is beyond me? It is nothing more than a political tool, a way for the left to fill their coffers and to amass large amounts of money to fund other political agendas. With so many brainwashed now into believing all the lies, all the propaganda, all the left has to do now, come election time, is say the right, (the Cons, the Repub's) don't care about the planet, don't care about your children, don't care about your gramma, and without even blinking an eye, or looking at other more important things like the economy, crime rates, homelessness, world peace, etc, the left will put an X on the ballot sheet as fast as they can.
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Yellow journalism was a style of newspaper reporting that emphasized sensationalism over facts. During its heyday in the late 19th century it was one of many factors that helped push the United States and Spain into war in Cuba and the Philippines, leading to the acquisition of overseas territory by the United States. https://history.state.gov/milestones...nited%20States. Some (most now, maybe?) have woken up to the fact most of MSM is nothing but propaganda and is the reason why other entities outside of MSM have become so popular now. But, I guess we'll always have a few, like has been evident in these covid, climate and vaccine threads, that will not believe that and will continue to hang on no matter what. https://fortune.com/2023/02/15/trust...s-poll-gallup/ https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/...ecord-low.aspx
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I do think i am getting the answer I am looking for actually, i dont see any disagreement. Not sure about your big question but i am not trolling for work, i happen to think that you should be able to sue if you get sick from the covid vaccine and the money can be taken from a percent of the profits, i guess everyone that agrees with me is trolling for work? Now do you work for the drug companies?
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Taking the vaccine WAS a choice. It was also known upfront there would be no way to sue anyone. So NO you should not be able to sue anyone over the vaccine no matter how many ambulance chasing lawyers want to make money off it. |
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Let's pause for a moment to digest that. Now, consider, on a planet with carbon-based life forms, this naturally occurring form of carbon is essential for all green plant life on earth - all trees, grasses, plants, vegetables, algae, and so on. Don't worry about your frozen ball of ice theory. Without CO2, everything on this planet dies, from plant life all the way up the food chain. |
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This is my entire point. There may be some kernels of truth or much truth in a more moderated position, but that isn't what we get, we don't have a reasonable debate. We get a constant series of panic fear narratives, appeals to authority, and hysterias that breed a reactionary opposite that is no more rooted in logic. Whether it's 10 years until "beyond human control", flu's killing, radical Islam, Russians, and a host of other things I have watched this same arc play out with, it's almost never true. The great horror never comes to be, and we end up looking back and thinking people went too far and extreme. We all now reject Patriot and the fear that drove the Middle Eastern wars, but statistically the vast majority were all on board that train at the time as that is what our experts and authorities pumped out. It happens over and over and over and over and over again. We are already seeing the Covid hysteria quickly give way and the majority in the middle switching to living normal life and rejecting the madness that made them hide away from a disease with a minuscule risk rate. It was not beyond human control and the beginning of the end in 1989. Or 1999. Or 2009. Everybody would get closer to the truth by trimming off the 20% most extreme parts of their narrative. Through it all, my idiotic self has lived my life free of fear from Russians, Islam, the flu, and the planet. You don't have to buy into every fear pumped by the state; history shows it is the naysayers that time has born out to be factually correct almost every time. See you at the beach in 10 years, exactly where it is today. |
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I'm just wondering what it would take for people who don't agree with climate change to acknowledge the climate is changing. That's a sincere question too. What would have to happen?
I guess what I mean is for the sake of argument, if a massive piece of the ice shelf breaks off and large swaths of coastland is submerged indefinitely underwater, would you consider that to be evidence of climate change? Or how about if ocean temperatures rose high enough that entire species of marine life go extinct? Would something like that be an indicator of climate change or is the position always going to be that nature is natural? Last edited by packs; 03-30-2023 at 02:02 PM. |
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But this is a planet-wide and cross-species issue so again I'm just wondering why you would put so much emphasis on a few individual people. Most of us aren't taking private planes, right? Animals certainly aren't. |
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Throwing money at it will not change a thing. Speaking of money, if there was no money in it (money to be made) would we even be talking about it?
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I'm pretty sure we would be because if the ocean temperature rose and emptied of fish, what would be left to eat? I think that would make the news in any society.
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We are all surely very well aware that the term is used to denote human responsibility for it, and it is usually paired with some kind of doomsday scenario, in the near future for the climate extremists and in the long term for the moderates. EDIT: and now absurd amounts of billions to be spent on left favored businesses to address it. Last edited by G1911; 03-30-2023 at 02:11 PM. |
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But how do you get to that conclusion? Until the Industrial Revolution there was relatively little pollutants in the environment. Rubber and oil weren't being manufactured. Fossil fuels were not being used to power anything. Plastic didn't exist.
So I'm just having a hard time understanding your POV. If the world is now full of manufactured pollutants and it was once free of them entirely, how could human industry not be affecting the planet? The planet is facing a host of new problems but you're suggesting there is no relation between environmental disregard and environmental changes. Last edited by packs; 03-30-2023 at 02:17 PM. |
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I'm asking you because I'm not sure what you meant when you said "the term is used to denote human responsibility for it".
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You asked what it would take for me to get on board and I told you. Your argument and Carter’s 98% of scientists in consensus will never convince me. I know there is a zero chance of China doing its part or DiCaprio and Obama giving up their massive consumption of fossil fuels and living modest lifestyles dependent on ‘clean renewable green energy’ so I have nothing to worry about. Speaking of animals, are you aware of the unfathomable mistreatment of them in China?
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CO2 is injected into many greenhouses throughout the world because it is beneficial to the plants, crops and the like. If it were, CO2, as high now as it was back then, then our crops, forests, etc, would all be thriving more than they currently are now. The Medieval warming period was known as a time of prosper, a time of good things filled with abundance, but, of course, that is not talked about either and they, the alarmists/grifters would like that removed from our history books. Quote:
What's your answer to all this; to eliminate all forms of fuel and go back to living in the dark, prehistoric era or would you prefer man and animals not be living on this planet at all?
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I still don’t understand your position. Climate change advocacy isn’t relegated to one ideology or one person’s individual beliefs. Climate advocacy comes in the form of regulating things like industrial waste too. I just feel like I’m reading polemics and not any actual debate on why it’s not helpful to regulate things like industrial waste, for example.
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You seem to think/believe man is the sole reason the earth has warmed up since the last ice age. You seem to believe, in order to reverse this, man has to pay large amounts of cash and give up the life we've become accustomed too. I've said, numerous times now, that this whole thing is nothing but a lie, nothing but a political tool, a grift, etc, and I will continue to say/believe that until those people, the alarmists and our crooked and corrupt politicians have a reasonable debate, an objective debate about it, but until then, as long as they continue to fill us with lies, continue to brainwash us, I will not partake in any part of it.
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I believe man is self-aware in ways animals like dogs and cats are not so yeah I do think man should play a disproportionate role in managing it’s ill affect on the planet.
I also don’t see the issue in dollars the way you do. I don’t think scientists are gathering en masse to discuss ways to make money and then delivering reports to that end. The only relationship between making climate and planet health a priority and money to me is that there isn’t another planet to buy. Last edited by packs; 03-30-2023 at 02:56 PM. |
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Try to think of something real, something visible, something that isn't happening naturally rather than what your govt daddy and their funded MSM sites spew to you? Do you not understand funding? This has been discussed. In order for those with the money to spready/spew their lies, they need people, scientists to be on board and if those choose to not be on board, then they don't get paid. It's as simple as that. Just how many lies do you need to hear/see before you figure this out? Australia is on fire, California wildfires, Lake Mead is disappearing, the polar bears, Hurricanes/tropical storms are increasing and are more powerful than ever, snow and cold will be a thing of the past, oceans are warming and rising, NY City will be underwater by 2000, Florida will suffer the same fate, glaciers are melting and will disappear by 2010, all of it. All lies and not a single thing has been true or has come true. When they decide to be honest, non corrupt, crooked and evil and admit they have been all along, maybe I'll listen but until then, just like covid and the vaccines, I'll continue to listen to and believe those that have been silenced, shunned and shamed instead.
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I'm just going to list one ill affect and leave it at that: the great Pacific garbage patch.
I assure you it exists and it is man-made and cleaning it up or making sure there never is another one again isn't a political ploy. It would just be the right thing to do because what good is a giant floating pile of trash? |
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Carbon Dioxide is not pollution. It is plant food. Plants are good for absorbing heat and cycling H2O through the atmosphere, which also has a cooling effect, and distributes water across vast areas which further spurs vegetation. If the activists would focus on real things, like needing to clean up oceans of plastic and old nets, and landfills of tires and chemicals, I'd buy into it. But when they push a doom and gloom impending catastrophe based on forcing us to radically change our lifestyles (while the elite aren't about to change theirs) then I can see the scam a mile away. Don't be fooled. Believe what's real, and oppose what's a big, giant hoax. |
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Read an article ( No I do not know if true or correct) in National Geographic that the vast bulk of ocean trash, including that in the great pile, comes from China and Asia. I have also traveled there a lot, and India as well. Whatever savings we achieve here in terms of trash and carbon footprint ( another National Geographic article sourced carbon efforts) will have a very minor impact. Not a reason not to do our best here, but the main contributors seem to lie beyond our efforts
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No one has said there should be no regulation of industrial waste or that giant trash piles hauled into the ocean is good. If this was the climate change argument almost everyone would be on board. This is not the agenda and narrative, or their bill proposals.
The nations doing the vast majority of the polluting are those we have chosen to outsource our manufacturing and industry too. Last edited by G1911; 03-30-2023 at 04:49 PM. |
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Ever heard of this kid? Ever seen him on the news, ever see the news show you how much progress he's made and the difference he is making? I'm going to assume no to all of it and then ask you why? Why isn't he popular, why isn't he being hailed a hero and a true environmentalist like Greta is?
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