Muhammad Ali Autograph on Angelo Marino REAL?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Thanks for the insight. Marion who?

I think he meant Dan Marino.
Marino doing Marino .

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

I think he meant Dan Marino.
Marino doing Marino .

I thought maybe he meant John Wayne.

[shelly]

Zipper
The all knowing mr Simon is correct. He did Dan Marino better than Dan Marino. That was a comment from Dan Marino when he was shown the forgerys by HBO.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by shelly

Zipper
The all knowing mr Simon is correct. He did Dan Marino better than Dan Marino. That was a comment from Dan Marino when he was shown the forgerys by HBO.

Are there tells now looking at them in retrospect or are they so good they are still undetectable?

[drc]

If potential customers are sure/assured the signatures are genuine and Marino was just the artist for someone else's in person signing, I think they'd sell. It sounds as if the prints weren't even by Marino, but made from his painting. If so, he didn't even make these prints.

To tell you the truth, if it can be firmly established that the signatures are genuine, I don't know what is the big deal. Some collectors might even like the irony of such a piece-- a genuine signature on a forger's artwork.

Again, I'm not a Ali signature expert, so have no comment on the authenticity. I'll leave that to others.

[shelly]

Mr Zipper,
I can only tell you that everyone of the respected authenticators passed numerous pieces of both Marino and Namath. It has been a long time since I have seen any of his work but when I do I will email it to you and you can tell me what you think.

[autograf]

I live in Louisville....hometown of Ali and the Muhammad Ali center.........I've got and have had a lot of Ali stuff over the years. I'm not an Ali autograph expert though. I've seen tons of in person Ali's and gotten in person Ali's that are complete different from each other. The ravages of Parkinsons have taken it's toll on him. I have a coffee table book that his photographer/handler did quite a while back that my dad got signed in person by Ali at a book signing downtown. He signed it in four places. My dad said he just kept turning the page and signing. One of the signatures looks TOTALLY different from the others even though it was signed at the same time. So.....who knows. I'm not sure what JSA/PSA charges for COA's but if you can get a couple hundred of them certed for $30-$50 per piece and they come back legit, I can imagine you would recoup more than that per piece. If you could sell for $400 instead of $200-$250, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't discount getting them certed by PSA/JSA even though they have their issues too..................

[grandstand69]

Originally Posted by autograf

I live in Louisville....hometown of Ali and the Muhammad Ali center.........I've got and have had a lot of Ali stuff over the years. I'm not an Ali autograph expert though. I've seen tons of in person Ali's and gotten in person Ali's that are complete different from each other. The ravages of Parkinsons have taken it's toll on him. I have a coffee table book that his photographer/handler did quite a while back that my dad got signed in person by Ali at a book signing downtown. He signed it in four places. My dad said he just kept turning the page and signing. One of the signatures looks TOTALLY different from the others even though it was signed at the same time. So.....who knows. I'm not sure what JSA/PSA charges for COA's but if you can get a couple hundred of them certed for $30-$50 per piece and they come back legit, I can imagine you would recoup more than that per piece. If you could sell for $400 instead of $200-$250, it's a no brainer. I wouldn't discount getting them certed by PSA/JSA even though they have their issues too..................

Thanks for your input. Believe me I've thought about submitting 25-40 at a time, however, my wallet keeps talking to me reminding my business side that I HAVE 300+ of these not to mention a batch of artist proofs #d /50. 300+ of the same item is a lot to move if my only outlet is ebay. I would imagine I'd flood the market fairly fast if I didn't stagger the sales over the year. I need to find a buyer who can buy 10-20 pieces at a time who have other outlets. I know with JSA COA or even PSA these should fetch a respectable amount. All his other 29x26" Lithos are $750-$2k and up. If you have any other thoughts or know a buyer who would do a trade/cash or cash deal please let me know. I thank you for your comments.