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Steve B was kind enough to answer a few of my questions on the specifics of the printing process with these cards a few years ago. It seems that all the Johnson errors likely shared the same image on the negative for the black plates and that the common version cards were likely corrected by altering the original art for the negative used to make their black plates. The editing of the errors therefore likely took place in the negatives and plates for the three other colors. It would be great to hear more from Steve B or someone else with printing experience to discuss where/how exactly those changes happened. Would the fact that multiple versions were being produced at the same time point to the plates on each press producing their own “version”?
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Awesome stuff - really love the information and transparency on this topic!
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This really has nothing to do with Randy Johnson, except I was going through my Brett photos and this one looks like the same location as the johnson shot
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sorry if this was already posted somewhere in this monster of a thread, but were the ripken FF and johnson marlboro sign cards only available in a certain packaging? or was it just based on when the cards were produced? didn't know if rack packs vs wax packs vs complete sets mattered. thanks!
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All was dependent on when the cases were produced/packaged. |
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awesome, thanks for the info!
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Anybody have any "tricks" they use to be able to see the sign better? As I have gotten older I find it way harder to tell them apart.
A couple things I do. Make sure to look at them in a room(or outside) that has as much sunlight as possible. At night with just lights on in a room they all look like box cards to me. The yellow line printing error Bill Ripkens are the same way. Can't see the line without good sun light. I have also found taking pics with a 10X loupe of the sign area using my phone helps. Then up load them to my computer and compressing it to 25% of original size helps a lot. Anybody else have any tricks they use? Also, besides the 2 very light red tint and the 3 or 4 known blue tints what is considered the rarest version. I have been away from super collecting them for some time. Back several years ago the green scribble was considered the toughest. |
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Hey Ben, I have a few versions of this and and the Ripken card that I picked up years ago, but never got into collecting them to the depth you are talking about. Do you think all of these different versions are from the original printing process or were some created after the fact. I know some of my Ripkens are fakes, not sure about the Johnsons. Agree with you about old eyes, and that would keep me from getting back into these things to any greater degree
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How many of the Johnson and Ripken variants ( and which ones ) do you guys think were intended by the manufacturer (as opposed to unintended differences occurring in the printing process )
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eBay is flooded with a ton of counterfeit Bill Ripkens of all variations and has been for over a year. On both cards all the changes were intentionally done by Fleer. The printing process doesn't make alterations. Printing errors are way different that what went on with those 2 cards. |
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what's weird to me is that you can find a marlboro johnson in a wax box, and then find a blacked out johnson in the same box. maybe that's just normal, or maybe the box had packs from a different box.
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This is 100% accurate.
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Just weird. |
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Just hanging out with RJ... I couldn't resist taking a picture of this latest low tint pickup as I pulled it out of the envelope and viewed it in the sun light. Steve
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Nice card. It's amazing how much difference looking at them it direct sun light makes.
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Thanks, Ben. It is so cool how some versions seem to stand out so well in the sunlight. Here is another raw one I got last week but took it outside to get a picture in the same sunlight. Also low tint but this one has a little more redness. For me it's like going to a museum... I could look at these all day long and not get bored. Steve
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Cards look great Steve, I'll have to try that same thing!!!
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Bam!
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Nice pics to get the sign to show up that good. Fairly rare compared to the other versions. I have had maybe 15-20 of them at the most over the years.
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Maybe it is the lighting, but anyone else notice there is no "pube" showing on either of those cards?
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These are the clearest examples I have ever owned. Anybody know which case code is the cutoff to get clear ones like this?
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Nope - there really is no exact number, tbh.
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Weirdly there is no known system with them. You can get different versions out of the same case. |
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So what's the latest/highest known case code that a FF or Marlboro has come out of? I have a case from march of 89.
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Not sure on the Marlboro. One of the guys posting in this thread might have a decent guess. I don't remember the Ripken FF code but a quick internet search should tell you, it is a known number.
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Any hints of the Marlboro were well gone before the FF was corrected. I would estimate late Nov 1988 and early Dec 1988 would be the best shot at the RJ variations.
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