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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
I've heard many of the hobby's experts make statement's about this or that card being more scarce and desirable than the T206 Honus Wagner. My question is what card is the most desirable in the hobby today despite the hype of the past. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Billy
My Holy Grail is the 1887 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson. Great player, beautiful card, low pop, and very old. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Wesley
I have been looking for a nice E102 Wagner fielding for some time. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: jay behrens
A Grail card all depends on what you collect and what you like. For me, my Grail card used to be the m101-5 Thorpe because I've always admired Thorpe and it's one of the few cards the depicts him as a baseball player. Thanks to a previous Grail thread and a kind lurker, I know own this card Right now, my current grail cards would be the 2 Tarzan Bread cards I need for my player set, Hogsett and Carleton. Anyone have either they wanna sell real cheap? |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Glenn
1914 Cracker Jack Christy Mathewson |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
The T206 Wagner is considered by most "in the know" collector's as the top card in existence -- as evidenced by the $$$ being paid for examples. My intention for this thread is to get an idea of whether or not the Wagner still reigns supreme, not necessarily what each of us consider "grail worthy" for our own collections. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Billy
Ok well the answer is no then. The T206 Wagner is the most overvalued card in the hobby. It's as simple as that. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: PASJD
1986 Donruss Jose Canseco RC limited edition (doubled its regular size after injecting itself with steroids). |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: jay behrens
The t206 Wagner reigns supreme and will do so for the forseable future. It's the only vintage card that the average person on the street would recognize and actually know what it is. Within hobbies innner circle, there are no doubt cards that are more coveted and desired than the Wagner, but people outside the would have no clue about them. The Ruth card you mention is a perfect example. It maybe coveted amongst the hobby elite, but most average collectors are unaware of the card. Even people that only collect shiny new metalic cards know all about the Wagner, yet proabably know absolutely nothing about this Ruth card. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Julie
I now remember. That's about it for me. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Anonymous
Do all of the Rumors surrounding the PSA 8 Wagner keep it from "Holy Grail" status? |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: jay behrens
There are people that don't care about what has or hasn't happened with that card. All they care about is having the highest graded card whether the card inside the slab is altered or not. It's definately a case where people are buying the slab and not the card, per se. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Andy Cook
Holy grail is any T217 Mono or D380 Clements Brothers Bread |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: WP
If that card were submitted to PSA for grading today do you think they would grade the card? Would GAI? SGC? |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
The T206 Wagner card is a FREAKING COMMON! |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: WP
Let's not get carried away, to the best of my knowledge there is only one copy graded above Ex and that card is most likely been substantially altered. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: wesley
I thought Hal's Reccius Wagner is one of a kind. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
So take away the one that was altered... |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Wes: It is one-of-a-kind. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: WP
Hal, |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
No doubt, Wally, no doubt. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Anonymous
Hal. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
No, the Wagner card and the Cobb card above are both mine. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Judge Dred
At the rate things are going the McPhee N172 (any pose) will be the "hot" thing to get. Ok, that's a big stretch. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Scott Elkins
E98 Old Put Cobb. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: PASJD
I don't think I have ever seen the Cobb back before, at least not on an actual card. Is it slabbed, I can't quite tell on this lousy PC if that is an SGC holder or a black background? What other rarities are you keeping hidden there in far-off Florida? |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Yes, Peter, it is slabbed by SGC: |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Scott Forrest
I didn't know such a place existed. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: JimB
Hal, |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Jim: |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: warshawlaw
To me it isn't the most valuable card but the card I need for my collection but simply cannot f-ing find no matter what I try: 1928 Exhibit PCL Jimmie Reese, 1921 Exhibit boxing Eddie O'Dowd and E78 Sam Berger and James Jeffries. I need the O'Dowd to finish my set, where I have been stalled for 2+ years, and the Jeffries/Berger is the only mainstream card with 1904 Olympic HW gold medalist and Jewish slugger Berger. I've been chasing that one for years too. Of course, I'd estimate the E78 at somewhere north of $500 if it surfaced at auction, so it isn't exactly cheap, but compared to the baseball cards everyone else is citing... |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
Wagner was a great player -- no doubt about it. But ---- Cobb was arguably the greatest. Cobb is also more reknown worldwide. In my humble opinion, the Cobb with Cobb back is more desirable than the T206 Wagner -- great card Hal! My intention with this thread was to get ideas on what cards could supplant the Wagner as the hobbies most desirable. That card would have to be rare, old, and of a legend. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: JimB
What effect does the quantity available of a potential Holy Grail card have on its candidacy? The Wagner seems perfectly situated because it is rare, but not impossible. Anybody with enough money can get one. A couple of recent auctions aside, the Doyle variation is virtually impossible. With only five or six known, it really can't be gotten by most people even if they wanted one. I wonder if the Cobb/Cobb back actually increased in desirability when Rob Lifson found five, bringing the then total to 11 or 12 (now I believe 13) known. It is a bit more possible. They are not offered with nearly the frequency of a Wagner or Plank, but every few years one is made available. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Does anyone else get the sense that JimB has a T206 Wagner for sale and he wants me to be his sucker? |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Mike
Jim, I know of 13 examples of 1914 Cracker Jack Mathewsons, I have scans of 12 different. As for why it's more difficult, the only theory I have is there are more 1915 Cracker Jack collectors than 1914 and they may like to try to complete a Master set. Meaning they go back and get all the different poses and team changes from the 1914 set. Just a theory. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: JimB
Hal, |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Geoff Litwack
It's not the most valuable or the rarest of the cards under discussion, but I have to agree with Julie that my holy grail would be the Four Base Hits Kelly. Every time I see that image, it knocks me off my feet. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Tbob
T210 Old Mill Series 8 Joe Jackson. 'Nuff said.... |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: JimB
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: warshawlaw
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
JimB: |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
Anyone have a scan of a four base hits kelly? |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: jay behrens
I believe this is a scan of Leon's card. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
A short list: |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Anyone who owns ALL TEN of these cards would be one bad-ass mamma-jamma!! |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Wesley
Sounds like you're the man for the job, Hal. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: rob
where does a Ty Cobb t213 type 3 "overprint" fit into the rarity/scarcity equation...have people seen many, if any of those? I believe he only comes in two poses, red portrait and "bat off"... |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Scott Elkins
the Old Put Cobb is unique (at least according to the Mastronet catalog it was auctioned in). However, you never know what is hiding out there. Some caramel guru like Pete C. or BCD would know more about them however. |
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Julie
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Holy Grail?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
Wouldn't it be cool if we had a monopoly game with groups of these cards as the properties, grading companies as utilities, the major card conventions as the railroads, and your neighborhood candy store as free parking. The playing pieces could be a mit, bat, catcher's mask, world series tropy, Babe Ruth's car, etc. The community and chance cards could be renamed Evers and Chance, and the cards would reflect some of the history of the game. Jail could be renamed Banished. A chance card would state "caught fixing the World Series, You are banished and pay $200; or find a great deal on ebay collect $200 in dividends; or better yet by a fake on ebay, you lose $100 etc. |
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