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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Rich W.
With that latest HOF thread, it reminded me of Craig Biggio. The HOF has always had "standards" at which induction appears to be guaranteed (500 home runs, 300 wins, 3000 hits, etc.). If Biggio gets 3000 hits, is he Hall-of-Fame material? I never cared for the induction of Don Sutton, feeling that he benefitted from durability and playing for good teams (even those Brewers teams he played for were pretty good). And I think the Hall breathed a sigh of relief when Fred McGriff never reached 500 home runs. I'd like to hear opinions on Biggio's HOF possibilities. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: dennis
yes...1st ballot |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Brett
I don't think every guy who gets 3000 hits should be in the Hall of Fame because some of those guys have ****ty career batting averages. Anyone can get 3000 hits given enough at bats. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: aro13
Yes - by any standard |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Rich W.
Here's Craig's AVERAGE season based upon 162 games played: |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: cmoking
You forgot the most important stat: most of those years were as a 2nd Baseman. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: barrysloate
I think that when you evaluate a player from the distant past, you only have his stats to make a determination. But with someone contemporary like Biggio, you have the benefit of being able to watch him play. That said, he plays like a HOFer. I say he deserves to get in. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: dennis
in the new bill james historical baseball abstract,james ranks him as the #5 2nd baseman of all time ahead of lajoie,sandberg,gehringer,carew & frish. behind only morgan,collins,hornsby & j. robinson. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: J Levine
And let us not forget that he started as a Catcher. I think Biggio will make the Hall...1st ballot? Maybe not...but he certainly deserves to be there. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: t206King
To be honest, The Hall is getting softer by the year if they start letting guys in with less then .300 avg's etc etc, and stats that doesnt compare to the men in there. its supposed to be for the "Greats" not the So-So players. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Jason
and he certainly doesn't strike me as a HOFer...he's not got that "bigger than life" quality you look for in your HOFer superstar persona...and he's never had any mindblowing performances or long-term stats, either. No great postseason heroics, really...If he gets in, you can immediately add him to the list of yawners like Bruce Sutter, Dennis Eckersley, Gary Carter, Bill Mazeroski, etc...It's just my 2 cents, but everyone knows I'm right, including Mr. Biggio |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Tony Andrea
Not so sure I'd agree about Freddy Mcgriff not being HOF material. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: davidcycleback
With 3,000 hits, I don't have a problem with Biggio in the HOF. 2nd base, good fielder, decent power, stolen bases, played hard. The only thing that would hold him back is batting average and that body armor. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
He's got almost 640 doubles, he's about 20 HR away from 300 and only about 70 hits away from 3,000 and over 1,700 runs scored to go along with over 400 stolen bases. Sure longevity plays a role but he's made the most of it. You figure he started as a catcher and then went to 2B for a majority of his career. If you compare him to other 2B players he's right in the thick of things from a batting statistics stand point. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Rick McQuillan
Milestone Tracker |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: jay behrens
I'm a stats guy, but people get way too wrapped up in stats when it comes to the HOF. The big question for me when it comes to the HOF is, was he the best, or one of the best players at his postion during his career. There is a constant ebb and flow to the game where batters domiante for a time, then pitchers. A player shouldn't be penilized or rewared for the era they happened to play in. This the same reason I think Rice should be in the HOF. He was the most feared hitter in baseball for almost 10 years. No one, and I mean no one struck fear into the heart of pitchers like Rice did until Bonds came along. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: James Feagin
If Biggio had played in Boston or New York, he would be called the "best ever". Seriously, how many players spend 19 seasons with the same team anymore; he should get in the Hall just for that. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: john/z28jd
Biggio is an easy choice and i believe McGriff,since his name was brought up, should be too. Before the McGwire steroid talk, he was an obvious 1st ballot HOF'er,yet McGriff's stats definitely compare favorably to McGwire. For Biggio the easiest way to assess for me besides seeing him all these years,is the fact hes top 20 all-time in runs scored,and you have to score runs to win games.Over 2900 hits right now just helps his case even more |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Andrew
He is a 1st ballot HOF in my opinion. Biggio arguably is the 2nd best 2B over the past 50 years behind Morgan. For those who feel he should be left out of the HOF, what exactly is required from a HOF 2B? Should middle infielders just be excluded from HOF consideration? |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Are we saying that a .283 hitter who averages 17 HR/yr. is a first ballot HOFer? Or is it also because he is a second baseman? |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: MikeW
Biggio makes it. Frank Thomas has to make it.. and I don't see how anyone could even question Manny Ramirez. I can see McGriff being left out in the cold.. although I believe he should be in if players like Billy Williams and lesser players are in. I'm still not sure why Freddy hasn't tried to pick up those 7 home runs though. Oh well, Kaline was content with 399. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: David Seaborn
Biggio makes it in easily...on the first ballot. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: jay behrens
Gil, I'd really hate to see the team you would field if you were a GM. You'd have a bunch oaffish louts playing every position merely becuase they could hit .300 and hit HRs.If this truely was the measure of a player and what won games, then we would never see players like Ozzie Smith, Apparicio, etc. There is far more to being considered a great player than hitting. Biggio is a 2B for all intents and purposes when comparing him to other HOFers. On this basis, he is more than qualified to be a HOFer. You can't compare middle infielders to OFs and other power positions. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I'm with Bill James on this one. He thinks Biggio is one of the best ever to play 2b. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Biggio yes... |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: MikeW
Manny Ramirez shouldn't make the Hall? Frank, are we sharing the same reality? |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: Jim Crandell
Add me to the unvote crowd. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: MikeW
I also feel it isn't fair to forget about the players in the "3rd deadball era"... The 1980's. Their statistics aren't as "juicy" as the stats of today.. but, the best of the 80's should have as much credit as the best of any decade. We can't protend the 80's and the great players that played in that decade didn't exist. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: davidcycleback
For the HOF, you do compare players against others at that position. 2nd base isn't the same as 1st base or DH-- and if you, as a manager, don't realize this you'll lose a lot of games. There's a reason Mark McGwire didn't play 2nd base. Biggio compares well to HOFers at 2nd base, including Joe Morgan and Ryne Sandberg-- and I think his numbers are solid irrespective of position. For example, 17 home runs is excellent for a lead off hitter. Biggio was never a superstar like Albert Belle and Mo Vaugn, but throughout his career we was widely considered one of the best 2nd basebmen, along with Roberto Alomar. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: JimCrandell
David, |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: davidcycleback
First, Soriano sucks as an infielder fielder and you need a good fielder at 2nd base and SS. Roberto Alomar was a superior 2nd baseman, as he was an excellent fielder. If a player is moved from a position because he can't field the position, as with Soriano, it's dubious to transpose his hitting numbers to that position. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: warshawlaw
Who can forget his imitation of a QB in the Super Bowl. My grandmother could throw better and she's dead. |
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Is Craig Biggio HOF material
Posted By: davidcycleback
To ensure winning ways, don't put Soriano at 2nd base, Yepremian at quarterback and Jim Marshall as team bus navigator. |
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