2023 Contemporary Era Ballot Nominees

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sure, but you're cherry picking. WAR?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...nidedu01.shtml

Keep in mind that Belle's "10 year elite" run includes WAR's of 2.5, 2.0, 1.5, and 0.6.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...nidedu01.shtml

Looks like a significant drop off there.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Looks like a significant drop off there.

Sure, it's a fall from his peak, but these are very good productive time. Snider's peak did not last 15 years. I cannot imagine why we would think it would? We got maybe 5, 10 guys in all of baseball history who had that. But it's a very strong fall, far outperforming the league. If Belle had that at the end of his career, we'd have little discussion about him.

His highest war in your falloff is 3.5, which is better than 5 of Belle's "elite" 10 years. So If this is to Snider's detriment, then, exactly as I said using your cherrypicked stat instead of my cherrypicked stat, Belle's elite 10 just became elite 5.

[BobC]

You guys are doing an awful lot of debating and arguing for nothing. With 16 voters having 3 votes each, that comes to 48 total votes. And as someone already pointed out, with 12 votes needed for induction, the most number of players that could possibly be inducted from the 8 that are on the ballot are just 4 (48 / 12 = 4). And based on the probabilities and numbers, that isn't even remotely likely to happen. If I had to guess, I'd say they may be lucky to elect 1 new inductee, with the chance of a 2nd being elected being remote, at best. So a lot of this debating is going to end up being mute, with maybe no one getting in on this ballot.

Another issue/problem is we have no idea yet who the 16 committee members doing the voting will be, and thus no idea of their thoughts on alleged PED users, those who may have cheated in other ways, or how they view those who weren't always the nicest of humans.

And some of you mention how the committee put the 8 players they did on this Contemporary Era ballot, and thus it seems they have some obvious reasons/desires to want them on it and may therefore plan to vote for them. But remember, it is not the Committee doing the voting that picked and put these 8 players on this Contemporary Era ballot. To my knowledge no one has been selected for the 16-person voting committee yet, and I would assume (and hope) that no one involved in picking the 8 players on the ballot is included as part of that committee either.

[Mike D.]

Late to the party on Evans, but I'm fairly sure the Hall would put him in the pre-1980 grouping. Whitaker I think would have been on the Contemporary ballot if he'd been selected by the committee.