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Old 01-26-2022, 07:02 AM
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Default HELP! Trying to find the anonymous subjects of a 1913 card

Hello! This is my first time posting in Net54, but I have an unusual (or maybe perfectly common) request.

I own the 1913 National Game card known as "Runner Sliding, Fielder at Bag."

https://www.psacard.com/cardfacts/ba...lder-bag/43289

The card from this set that is known as "Runner Sliding, Umpire Behind" is generally accepted as featuring Ty Cobb, but "Runner Sliding, Fielder at Bag" has not had the benefit of having identified players. I'm working to try my best to figure out who the players are, based on the few identifying features there are: mainly the uniforms and the stadium background.

Using the Baseball Hall of Fame's uniform database, I believe I have narrowed it down a bit. Since this card released in 1913, I assume the photo on the card was probably taken between 1911-1913. In 1913, though, no ball club wore a dark cap with white stripes, like the third baseman on the card (this is one of the few identifying features). In 1911, both the Washington Senators home jersey and the Detroit Tigers road jersey had hats like that. In 1912, just the Detroit Tigers road jersey did.

Washington Senators, 1911: http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...r&increment=18

Detroit Tigers, 1911 and 1912: http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.o...r&increment=18

Then, I looked at stadiums. I looked at every stadium the Detroit Tigers played in in 1911 and 1912, including Griffith Stadium, where the Washington Senators played. I believe of all the stadiums, Griffith Stadium looks the most like the stadium in the photo. Since I cannot find a photo of the stadium when it opened, I can only assume that the second tier of stands along the first base line was added later (since we don't see it in the photo on the card). But here is the picture with the best view of the right field corner:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...19qlQ&usqp=CAU

This leads me to believe that the third baseman (the "Fielder" in the card title) either plays for the Washington Senators or the Detroit Tigers. If it's the Tigers, then the sliding player would have to be a 1911 or 1912 Washington Senator (if the game is at Griffith Stadium). If the third baseman is a Senator, then the slider can theoretically be from any team that played at Griffith Stadium in 1911.

Can you help me determine whether I'm on the right track?

Can you tell me what stadium this is, based on what we can see of it? Or can you identify the players, or even just their teams, with any certainty?

I've tried a reverse image search, with no luck, but maybe one of you can find the original photograph somewhere with players' names identified.

Any help would be great. I'd be very appreciative. Thank you!
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