This Probably Won't Go Anywhere, But...

[campyfan39]

I detest grading and crack them all out if I buy one or get it in a trade. PSA is the worst. Aside from being built on a complete lie with the first card, they are incompetent.
Wildly inconsistent grading.

Last week, I sold a card on eBay. It was over 250, so my funds were "on hold" while they "authenticated" it. A week after arriving at the authenticator, I had heard nothing. I got in touch with someone and they were very nice. They said the authenticator noticed a slight stain on the back that I did not say in my description. This is despite my extra large photos of the back and there being no stain!
They said they contacted the buyer and he said he "knew the condition of the card to ship it to him and stop f'ing around so he can get it before Christmas!"

They are supposedly going to authenticate it now. So, there was not even a question of whether it was authentic. Now they are questioning stains and who knows what else. When I bought the card years ago, it was PSA3 with no qualifiers.

Makes me furious

[Fred]

In reference to post #74, I didn't realize ebay or PSA would debate the grade of a card they already slabbed, that's just crazy. What are they going to do, say it's the wrong grade and shoot themselves in the foot (assuming the card is in a PSA slab)? Yes, that would be annoying. It'd be funny as hell if the authenticator determined the card was trimmed and the flip is incorrect (should be an A rather than numerical grade - probably zero chance of that occurring).

The following is from ebay:

The seller ships your card to the authentication facility, where PSA inspects every item. For ungraded cards, PSA experts verify authenticity through a multi-point inspection, and then carefully review listing details for accuracy. For graded cards, PSA experts authenticate each case and label. No regrading is performed.

It would be interesting to see if PSA would start offering grading services for ungraded cards during the "authentication" process. Pay the fee, the card is slabbed, registered, and shipped. I wonder what the turn around time would be for that service.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Fred

In reference to post #74, I didn't realize ebay or PSA would debate the grade of a card they already slabbed, that's just crazy.

If I understood campy right, it sounds like he cracked it out long ago, and is reselling it now. But happens to remember the slab it used to reside in. So the current authentication is authenticating a raw card.

Of course, I may have misinterpreted the situation entirely.

[campyfan39]

You are correct. I don't have any slabbed cards and any that I obtain I crack out. when i bought this card a long tie ago, it was a PS3 with no qualifier.

My contention is that they have had the card since Tuesday morning and have yet to "authenticate" it. I was able to get someone on the phone today to find out what was going on. There was not any question that the card is authentic, but they claim there was a "light stain" on the back that was not specifically listed in the description. There is no stain.

The messaged the buyer and he said he reviewed all of the large pictures I provided and he wanted them to hurry up and ship him the card.

So I guess if you list any card more than $250 on ebay, just having 8 pictures is not enough. You have to inspect it and list any possible flaw in the description. I may just stick to the BST and facebook groups when I have something to sell.

Originally Posted by raulus

If I understood campy right, it sounds like he cracked it out long ago, and is reselling it now. But happens to remember the slab it used to reside in. So the current authentication is authenticating a raw card.

Of course, I may have misinterpreted the situation entirely.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

You are correct. I don't have any slabbed cards and any that I obtain I crack out. when i bought this card a long tie ago, it was a PS3 with no qualifier.



My contention is that they have had the card since Tuesday morning and have yet to "authenticate" it. I was able to get someone on the phone today to find out what was going on. There was not any question that the card is authentic, but they claim there was a "light stain" on the back that was not specifically listed in the description. There is no stain.



The messaged the buyer and he said he reviewed all of the large pictures I provided and he wanted them to hurry up and ship him the card.



So I guess if you list any card more than $250 on ebay, just having 8 pictures is not enough. You have to inspect it and list any possible flaw in the description. I may just stick to the BST and facebook groups when I have something to sell.

I think raw card authentication bases their condition review off the stated condition in the drop down menu on the listing. If you select Nm or better, or Excellent, etc... they will make sure it meets that threshold. It has saved me thousands in the past where major damage was hidden in the pictures. They caught the damage and reached out to me. I requested pictures of the damage and they sent me close up images of the damage.

You don't have to disclose every flaw, but you do need to select the right card condition. And if it's close, they reach out to the buyer to make sure they are ok with it. Which is a fantastic way to do it for raw cards online. The only downside is time. But a few more days to receive a card is nothing to making sure the buyer is fully informed of the condition.

For the seller, the more information you include the less likely you will run into these delays. Good pictures help inform the buyer, but won't overcome a poor description or choosing the wrong condition level in your listing.

While it's great you take good pictures, that is the old way to make sure condition is as described. Authentication doesn't rely on that now that it gets evaluated in person before shipped to the buyer.

[BRoberts]

Q: How do you know if someone is a vegan?

A: They will tell you.

Q: How do you know if someone has only raw cards in his collection?

A: He will tell you. Repeatedly.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Q: How do you know if someone is a vegan?

A: They will tell you.

Q: How do you know if someone has only raw cards in his collection?

A: He will tell you. Repeatedly.

Listen, there’s new people around here all the time, and it’s important that they know about these details, including who is who in our little world. I certainly keep getting emails from people with 1 post whose mates have everything on my want list.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by BRoberts

Q: How do you know if someone is a vegan?

A: They will tell you.

Q: How do you know if someone has only raw cards in his collection?

A: He will tell you. Repeatedly.

Out of curiosity, how would you know if you were wrong (about either assertion)?

[campyfan39]

Update: got a congrats email saying the card was authenticated. Yay!
Now maybe Monday I will finally get paid for a card I sold 13 days ago.

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I think raw card authentication bases their condition review off the stated condition in the drop down menu on the listing. If you select Nm or better, or Excellent, etc... they will make sure it meets that threshold. It has saved me thousands in the past where major damage was hidden in the pictures. They caught the damage and reached out to me. I requested pictures of the damage and they sent me close up images of the damage.

You don't have to disclose every flaw, but you do need to select the right card condition. And if it's close, they reach out to the buyer to make sure they are ok with it. Which is a fantastic way to do it for raw cards online. The only downside is time. But a few more days to receive a card is nothing to making sure the buyer is fully informed of the condition.

For the seller, the more information you include the less likely you will run into these delays. Good pictures help inform the buyer, but won't overcome a poor description or choosing the wrong condition level in your listing.

While it's great you take good pictures, that is the old way to make sure condition is as described. Authentication doesn't rely on that now that it gets evaluated in person before shipped to the buyer.