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Old 07-17-2020, 03:22 AM
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I certainly know I didn't have any 6th or 7th series cards from 1967 in my "kid" collection that year and I lived in the Phoenix area. Mostly, I purchased packs from my local 7-11 store.
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Old 07-17-2020, 07:23 AM
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I certainly know I didn't have any 6th or 7th series cards from 1967 in my "kid" collection that year and I lived in the Phoenix area. Mostly, I purchased packs from my local 7-11 store.
I have to find the old article I saved about this but IIRC 7-11 was one of the main sellers in certain SW areas and they did not get either series in 1967.
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Old 07-17-2020, 07:38 AM
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We had 6th and 7th Series 1967 cards. I bought packs from a locally owned 7-11 type store. East Tennessee-Knoxville.
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I have to find the old article I saved about this but IIRC 7-11 was one of the main sellers in certain SW areas and they did not get either series in 1967.
Interesting because that was one of my main sources in Orange County, CA. At the corner of our subdivision there was a 7-11 and Stop-N-Go that we bought cards from. I also remember getting 6th series cards from the ice cream man. I know that we had more 6th series cards than any other series in 1967 and completed our sets 1-6 series but had no 7th. 6th series cards were plentiful in collections that we bought but got almost no high numbers. I bought them from Card Collectors Co.
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Interesting because that was one of my main sources in Orange County, CA. At the corner of our subdivision there was a 7-11 and Stop-N-Go that we bought cards from. I also remember getting 6th series cards from the ice cream man. I know that we had more 6th series cards than any other series in 1967 and completed our sets 1-6 series but had no 7th. 6th series cards were plentiful in collections that we bought but got almost no high numbers. I bought them from Card Collectors Co.
To be clear, it was not all areas where 7-11 was located. I think a lot of Topps California distribution was direct to chain stores though. Ice cream men would have been supplied via a jobber most likely. CCC had massive 67 high number lots at one point that they were selling through The Trader Speaks (Sept. 1977 ad below). They had vending boxes for some time thereafter as well and I think I have another ad where they were selling high number vending cases.
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To be clear, it was not all areas where 7-11 was located. I think a lot of Topps California distribution was direct to chain stores though. Ice cream men would have been supplied via a jobber most likely. CCC had lots of 67 high number cases at one point they were selling through The Trader Speaks (Sept. 1977 ad below). They had vending boxes for some time thereafter as well.
I don’t remember if we got them at 7-11, it was too long ago. Every time we went in to a store that had baseball cards, we would buy a pack. If they were a series we didn’t have, we would each buy a box and trade to complete our series. In 1967, we kept buying packs in hopes they would be 7th series and kept getting 6th.
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Just a side note, but it's really important not to forget about football/basketball/hockey's role in the downfall of high numbers throughout the Topps years. After collecting baseball cards all summer long and piling up stacks of doubles after stacks of doubles, we used to jump right off the train when the other sports cards suddenly appeared in the stationery store (and squeezed the baseball boxes off of the shelves). Anything NEW!!!! to a kid just takes all the focus away. That was my experience growing up. Plus, in an odd way, it also signified that summer was officially over. You had to go back to school and all of the 'cold' sports were starting up again, so the green grass of baseball was in the rearview mirror...and there was no going back.
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Just a side note, but it's really important not to forget about football/basketball/hockey's role in the downfall of high numbers throughout the Topps years. After collecting baseball cards all summer long and piling up stacks of doubles after stacks of doubles, we used to jump right off the train when the other sports cards suddenly appeared in the stationery store (and squeezed the baseball boxes off of the shelves). Anything NEW!!!! to a kid just takes all the focus away. That was my experience growing up. Plus, in an odd way, it also signified that summer was officially over. You had to go back to school and all of the 'cold' sports were starting up again, so the green grass of baseball was in the rearview mirror...and there was no going back.
Tru dat. If I had 25 cents back then to spend per week it was a lot.
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Old 07-17-2020, 08:20 PM
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Row A with Pinson as leading card and Carew at the end of the row is at top of both half-sheets. Row E with the checklist as leading card is at the bottom of one half-sheet. This row also has B Robby in it as well as Bunning, W Sox team, W Sox Rookies, etc.

Row G, with Belanger, Adcock, Yankees & A's rookies, Ty Cline, and the Seaver RC, is a leading candidate to be the bottom row on the other half-sheet. If there were factory miscuts associated with the equipment used, I would expect the other cards in the row to exhibit similar types of issues. Based on what was said earlier, some of those cards may, so I suspect factory miscuts but I haven't seen enough or measured enough samples of these cards to determine that for certain.
I should also mention that the Seaver from my set has that legit looking fairly minor grade 4ish vintage corner wear (on all four) that's consistent with the rest of the entire set, yet no strange changes or oblong areas on the edges between the corners (which you'd think would be necessary for a card that was trimmed w/o the corners being touched).

At least I'd assume so, as I know nothing about the intricacies of altering!

So that seems to make trimming even less likely. Especially given the various cuts of my high numbers in general (and in a situation that shouldn't have any relation to deceitfully trimming to increase value, outside of the Seaver possibility)
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Old 08-13-2020, 10:42 AM
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I found the original listing from July 1984 issue of Current Card Prices where the high number SP's and DP's were introduced (sort of). This was to be based upon my researching one of the uncut sheet slits at the time. The publisher had his own thoughts based upon his dealer experience also the thought a differently arrayed slit might be out there based upon his (extensive) inventory, which eventually turned out to be right of course.

We never addressed the 66 high number SP's; first I can find that happening is in 1989 issues of Baseball Cards magazine.

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Old 08-22-2020, 03:52 AM
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Here's a miscut of Seaver with Ty Cline next to it. Nothing new, but thought it would be of interest.1967_seaver.JPG
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Does this conclusively show that the bottom 3 rows of the 2nd slit contain rows A (Pinson), F (Rohr), and G (Belanger)?

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Does this conclusively show that the bottom 3 rows of the 2nd slit contain rows A (Pinson), F (Rohr), and G (Belanger)?
Hard to say as that sequence appears on the known full sheet but it's intriguing and would give you the five Pinson rows and Belanger rookie row at the bottom if true, which supports the prevailing theory right now. It's not unusual to see two groups of proofs for a series, here a 44 then 33 card section would apply as such without revealing row locations overall.

Where did that proof come from, Topps Vault?

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Old 10-06-2020, 08:42 AM
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What does this card mean relative to row placement? Saw it listed on ebay last week.

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Old 10-06-2020, 09:00 AM
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The CCP July 84 price guide is interesting. 9 of the 11 cards in the Pinson row (all except Pinson & Carew) are shown at a lower price than the other high number cards and Pinson is at only a slight premium ($2 vs. $1.75). However, the other high numbers listed at $1.75 are from several different rows, and none are from the Rohr (#547) row.
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What does this card mean relative to row placement? Saw it listed on ebay last week.

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I am not sure, possibly from a last minute strip in of the Pinson row? Carew is at far end of course.
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Old 10-06-2020, 09:09 AM
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The CCP July 84 price guide is interesting. 9 of the 11 cards in the Pinson row (all except Pinson & Carew) are shown at a lower price than the other high number cards and Pinson is at only a slight premium ($2 vs. $1.75). However, the other high numbers listed at $1.75 are from several different rows, and none are from the Rohr (#547) row.
Richie and I had differing philosophies on what was what, so IIRC that's what he went with as he was in agreement with the extra prints.
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Going back to what I was trying to decide about the size of the Seaver/other high numbers cuts....noticed this today (from a listing for a '67 set from a longtime dealer).

The Seaver seems smaller here too, especially horizontally. Similar to mine.

Edit, it's actually easier to notice in the smaller pic in the listing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-...X/333747691459


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