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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It was the Summer of '47....my sister and I carefully opened up Homogenized Bond Bread packages, for a Joe DiMaggio, a Ted Williams,
a Stan Musial, or the new rookie sensation....a Jackie Robinson BB card. Our Mom couldn't buy enough of the Bond Bread loafs. So, we
had our Dad buying Bond Bread for his restaurant and our Aunt buying Bond Bread. In the Fall of 1947, we experienced one of the most
exciting World Series ever played. 1947 was a tremendous year for BB, and a great start for me in the wonderful life-long hobby of col-
lecting BB cards. These B/W cards were really popular with the kids in our neighborhood. By trading & sharing our collections with each
other, we eventually realized that there were no more than 44 BB players and 4 Boxers in a complete set.


1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD wrapper


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Many cards in this set are the very 1st (or rookie) cards issued of the players. Shown here are the 1st cards of Yogi Berra, Stan Musial,
Jackie Pobinson, Gil Hodges, Ralph Kiner and Bobby Thomson.

[linked image]



This set has been the source of much confusion in the hobby for many years. The only true 1947 Bond Bread cards are these 48 in this
general set and the Jackie Robinson set. All of which have beveled (or ROUNDED) corners in order to fit into the bread loaf packages.
Unfortunately, other issues that resemble the Bond Bread cards that were issued after 1947 and were never packaged in Bond Bread loafs
have been mis-identified as "1947 Bond Bread" cards. Grading Co. have been most guilty of erroneously labeling these SQUARE "imposters".

Shown here are two cards from the 1949 (unknown) issue which includes 24 of the BB players depicted in the 1947 Bond Bread issue and
an additional BB player (or 2). Also, many of the popular Movie Stars of that era were included. These cards may have been printed by the
same firm that printed the 1947 set. However, their SQUARE corners and their inferior cardboard stock belie the fact that these cards are
NOT related to the "1947 Bond Bread" issue.
A recent find of many of these SQUARE cards (BB and Movie Stars) suggest a 1949 issue date since Walker Cooper is depicted in this col-
lection as a NY Giant (Cooper was traded to Cinci in the Summer of '49).


1949 (unknown) issue

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A 1947 Bond Bread Team/checklist will follow in the next post here.


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Posted By: Jim Thierfelder

Great post Ted, very informative.

The Bond bread cards are a little before my time but I always enjoy hearing stories about collecting before collecting was big business.

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Posted By: Mark Tylicki

Great stuff Ted

Here's one of the Exhibit size issues labeled as a Bond Bread...

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Here is the Walker Cooper card that I noted in the initial post here. It was never included
in the original 1947 Bond Bread (ROUND cornered cards) issue. And, this fact tells us that
indeed there was a subsequent (SQUARE cornered cards) issue....totally unrelated to the
1947 Bond Bread issue.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1193714837/last-1195061538/


Another factor telling us that these 2 issues (the 1947 and the "1949") are unrelated....is
why are all 48 original cards not available in the SQUARE version ?

Only 24 of the BB cards and two of the Boxing cards from the 1947 set are in the SQUARE
version. And, added in the SQUARE version was Walker Cooper.

I do not claim to be an expert regarding these SQUARE cards. They are a real "mystery" to
most in the hobby. And, I do not know of anyone that can solve this mystery.

Any new thoughts on this subject are greatly appreciated.


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Posted By: Dan Paradis

Excellent post Ted. Here's the few Bond Bread cards I have:

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Posted By: Sean C

I've always wanted to know more about these cards, and specifically about the Robinson cards. I remember back in the late 80's, early 90's there was a reported big find of the square corner cards that were being sold through SCD and other hobby magazines. You can still usually find them for less than $100 or so. Were they legit, or just reprints?

While checking for an image of it on eBay, I did find this even more interesting card:

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It's the same image as the Robinson I was referring to above, I've never seen or heard about it before (the cut or the image on the back. Does anyone have any info about it?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

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Listed here are the 44 BB cards in this set by Teams and the 4 Boxers

NEW YORK GIANTS
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JOHNNY MIZE
SID GORDON
LARRY JANSEN
SHELDON JONES
BUDDY KERR
WHITEY LOCKMAN
WILLARD MARSHALL
BOBBY THOMSON

BROOKLYN DODGERS
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JACKIE ROBINSON
REX BARNEY
RALPH BRANCA
BRUCE EDWARDS
CARL FURILLO
JOE HATTEN
GIL HODGES
PEE WEE REESE


NEW YORK YANKEES
--------------------
JOE DiMAGGIO
LARRY BERRA
JOE GORDON
CHARLIE KELLER
JOHNNY LINDELL
PHIL RIZZUTO
AARON ROBINSON

BOSTON RED SOX
------------------
TED WILLIAMS
DOM DIMAGGIO
BOBBY DOERR
JOHNNY PESKY

CLEVELAND INDIANS
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BOB FELLER
LOU BOUDREAU
KEN KELTNER
BIRDIE TEBBETTS

ST LOUIS CARDINALS
----------------------
STAN MUSIAL
HARRY BRECHEEN
ENOS SLAUGHTER

BOSTON BRAVES
-----------------
JOHNNY SAIN
BOB ELLIOTT
TOMMY HOLMES

CINCINNATI REDS
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EWELL BLACKWELL
JOHNNY VANDERMEER

CHICAGO CUBS
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ANDY PAFKO

PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS
--------------------------
EDDIE JOOST

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
-------------------------
DEL ENNIS

PITTSBURGH PIRATES
----------------------
RALPH KINER

ST LOUIS BROWNS
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VERN STEPHENS


BOXERS
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PRIMO CARNERA
MARCEL CERDAN
JAKE LAMOTTA
JOE LOUIS


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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards
vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards. When you compare these cards, you'll im-
mmediately notice......

1....the 1947 cards are slightly thicker

2....there is a faint gloss on the 1947 cards and not on the other cards

3....the contrast on the 1947 cards is superior to the other cards

4....the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white color.....while the backs of the
other cards have a "toned" effect.


...................1947 BOND BREAD..................................SQUARE cards

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Although Primo Carnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the card in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb. Doesn't make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer.

Hate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as "Sports Star Subjects". I have a scan of the cards in the boxes from some auction years ago (don't recall which one). The front cards on the boxes are DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter and Robinson.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks MARK....DAN....SEAN....for the great scans of your cards.


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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

You have made my day with this statement of yours......

"" Hate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as "Sports Star Subjects". ""


On the contrary....no "confusion" here, guy. Indeed, confirmation of the SQUARE cards being issued as a
set of their own. It's been my understanding that the SQUARE cards were 1st available in 1949, and into
the 1950's in small boxes. Until now, I have referred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown" issue. Thanks
to you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star Subjects" issue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.


Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards. Two of which are the BB/Movie Star cards....Lou Boudreau/Ingrid
Bergen and Johnny Mize/Victor Mature.

Also, note the difference in the width of the Bond Bread Jansen card vs its SQUARE card counterpart. The
Bond Bread cards are consistently 1/16 th of an inch narrower.

..| |<--1/16th inch<br>
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TZ, This, being square-cornered, is a '49 then?

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Does anyone know whether the same actors appear with the same athletes, or are different combos possible?

Also, at the National a few years ago I purchased a rounded corners card of George Raft (actor); were there actor cards issued as well in 1947 in bread?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Can you please post F & B scans of the the George Raft card ?

Also, match the width of this Raft card with any SQUARE card. Is its width different, or is it the same ?

In 1947, in our neighborhood in NJ, we had 100's of the 1947 Bond Bread cards. I definitely recall that we
never found any movie star cards in the Bond bread packages. I have never seen or heard of any ROUND
cornered cards of movie stars.
Perhaps, they were inserted in bread packages out west ? ?


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I don't own that perforated card Ted, it's one of Shoeless Joe's cards. I was just posting the image from his listing of it on eBay, as I had never seen one like it before.

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Ted,
Nice thread as usual. I have a couple of ???? Did the cards come one to a loaf? Is there any way to know whether these cards were "out" bf the 1947 Tip Top bread cards? Thanks.

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Now I'm really confused. I assumed that the square corner cards and the perforated cards were two entirely separate sets. But Ted seems to be lumping them together in his posts. Is there any reason to believe these are both actually from the same set?

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Now I have to dig it out of the cupboard.

I can't compare it with the square cornered cards; I don't own any. It is exactly the same size as my round cornered Joe Louis, Jake LaMotta and Marcel Cerdan cards. Here is a picture of Louis and Raft side by side. Same white stock backs too.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

You are assuming something from my above scan of the 4 cards. I did not say that the BB/Movie Star
combo cards were issued at the same time as the SQUARE card issue (that Adam W. identified as the
"Sports Star Subjects" issue).
Judging from the consistent discoloration of these perforated dual-cards, I'd say they were printed and
issued in the 1950's.

This brings up another mystery regarding the SQUARE cards that we haven't discussed yet. And, that
is the "warehouse find" of 1000's of these cards in the early 1980's by David Festberg.

I think the cards in this find are REPRINTS that may never have been in circulation. Until, of course,
David started selling them.
The cardboard that these cards are printed on is not as thick as the original cards. And, the printing
quality and contrast of these cards is inferior to the original cards.


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As always great info. Thanks Ted.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

JEFF....two good "Q's"......

First, it's been 62 years since I was pulling these cards out of the Bond Bread loaves....so, I don't
recall if there was one card or two in the package. I'll ask my sister, who seems to remember such
trivia better than I.

2nd....Tip Top bread was actually the favorite in our house back in the 1940's and '50's. However,
the bread we bought from the stores in the Hillside, NJ area never had the Tip Top cards in them.
So, I can't give you an answer on this one. Perhaps, we will get lucky, and have some one on this
forum chime in with the issue date of the Tip Top bread cards.

Thanks,

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I haven't forgotten you, guy. The 1947 BOND BREAD Jackie Robinson set of 13 cards was indeed issued in 1947.
These cards are the exact same size (2 1/4 x 3 1/2) as the general 1947 BOND BREAD set of 48 cards. However,
it's my understanding that the JRobby cards were never inserted in the BOND BREAD packages....therefore, there
was not a need to bevel their corners....so they remained SQUARE.

They were promotional cards honoring JRobby that were issued by Bond Bread. I have heard that they were most
likely distributed in the greater NYC area. We never saw them in our neighborhood stores in NJ.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It's amazing what shows up on this forum. Your George Raft card is very cool. Raft was a "cool" villain
in the movies back when I was a kid. There is no doubt that this card was packaged in a BOND BREAD
loaf. Otherwise, why would it have rounded corners ? It certainly has the picture quality of the 48 cards
in the 1947 Homogenized BOND BREAD set.
However, I would guess that Bond Bread was inserting movie stars in their bread packages subsequent
to the BB (and Boxing) cards of 1947. Furthermore, including movie stars in with the Bond bread may've
been a regional thing. I have never seen (or heard) of Bond Bread packaging of movie star cards before
you mentioned your Raft card. And, I've compared experiences collecting these Bond Bread cards with
other hobbyists who collected these cards as kids (in Boston, Cleveland, St louis, etc.) and no one ever
brought up any other cards than the known 48 in the '47 set.
You have a really "rare bird" in your George Raft card.


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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Very neat, thanks for sharing it with us. The original 1947 Bond Bread cards were available in the bread loaves in the Sring of '47
thru sometime in 1948. After then they were premiums in several grocery products such as your display.


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I rescued George from a junk box on a dealer's table because of his association with the Jewish mob. Raft ran with a tough crowd as a kid but happened to be talented enough to have a different route out of poverty. He was a friend of several major crime figures, including Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky.

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Ted, I was one of those that bought a "set" from David Festberg back in the 1980's. I believe it is unlikely that anyone reprinted these cards and then stuck them in a warehouse. It seems more likely that they were leftovers from the "Sports Star Subjects" issue that Mr. Festberg then found stored. You said the cards David sold were inferior to the originals in print quality and contrast but how do they compare to the "Sports Star Subjects" cards. Are they the same? I guess that leaves us with the other question. Where do we think the combo cards came from?


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Good information Ted. Here is a Primo Carnera card I bought from Larry Fritsch a few years ago along with some others. They were indeed advertised as 1947 Bond Bread.
Primo way past his time here...any excuse to wear tights I guess happy.gif

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In 1946, a few years after he finally retired as a fighter, Primo Carnera became a wrestler and wrestled until retiring in 1961. So did Joe Louis for a time when he needed the money. If you see the movie "Requiem For A Heavyweight" where Anthony Quinn's broken-down fighter ends up being a pro wrestler afterwards, that's based on Carnera.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Hey big guy.....in 1956, Playhouse 90 (on TV) also did "Requiem for a Heavyweight" with Jack Palance in the lead role.
Both performances (the TV one and the movie) were great. Anthony Quinn has always been one of my favorite actors.

I will reiterate.....you have enlighten us on 2 fronts in this thread.....identifying the early version of the SQUARE cards
as the "Sports Star Subjects" issue....and, the existence of Bond Bread packaged movie star cards.

This thread is a great example of the powerful resources we have in this forum. I really appreciate your contributions
here in unraveling some of the mysteries associated with these cards.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

It's my understanding that only 24 cards (22 BB and Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) were in the sets that Dave Festberg sold.
Is this true for the set you have ?

You may be right about the cards in Festburg's "find" not being "Reprints"; however, illustrated here is the problem I have
with the "Festburg cards".


.................1947 Bond Bread....................."1949 Sports Star Subjects"
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.................1947 Bond Bread.....................card from Festburg "find"

BACKS

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Note the difference in the discolored cardboard of the Festburg "find" card

Furthermore, the two Jansen cards and the 1947 Bond Bread Stephens card are printed on thicker cardboard than the
SQUARE Stephens card. Also, there is a higher printing quality (contrast) in two Jansen cards and the 1947 Bond Bread
Stephens card with respect to the Stephens card of the Festberg find.

David....one final question....if you tell me that your set has only 24 cards, then what happened to the other 24 cards
in the original set of 48 cards ?

Best regards and thanks for posting,

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Ted, thanks for responding. I'll have to check what cards I have when I get home and I'll post an answer.

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Ted, I do indeed have 24 cards in my "set". However, none are discolored on the back as you show. They are a creamy white. The 24 include Stan Musial, Jackie Robinson, Ted Williams, Ralph Kiner, Phil Rizzuto, Enos Slaughter, Bob Feller, Johnny Mize, Lou Boudreau, Bobbie Doerr, John Sain, Vern Stephens, Ken Keltner, Bob Elliott, Johnny Pesky, Ewell Blackwell, Del Ennis, Andy Pafko, Harry Brechen, Joe Gordon, Aaron Robinson, Tommy Holmes, and Joe Louis, and Primo Carnera. They are of course, square cornered and thinner than a regular card. But I can't explain why the backs appear different than what you are reporting.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for posting your cards.....and, judging from the backs, your cards appear to be uncirculated ones from the Sports
Star Subjects issue. Just as you previously said.

All I can say is that these little B/W cards never cease to amaze me. I was under the impression that Festberg's find con-
sisted of the SQUARE cards printed on the "inferior" cardboard stock. Back to the drawing board for me....because we still
haven't determined the source of the cards that are on thinner stock whose backs are discolored.

I still maintain that some where along the line, some one "reprinted" (or reproduced) them from the 24 cards in your set. As,
the identical subjects are found with the inferior cardboard (and, none of the other 24 in the original 1947 Bond Bread set).


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Ted, that theory makes sense. So when do we think the 24 cards I have were made (1949)? It's a shame all of the square cornered cards have been lumped together by the grading companies. I think it was mentioned before that the major grading companies won't grade these, is that correct? Maybe this thread will make them rethink their position on these cards.

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1. Where do we fit in the PC sized cards?

2. Who is known in the PC sized cards?

3. Has anyone compiled a checklist of the 2 sided perforated cards?

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Adam, I have some other questions regarding the cards you mentioned, the "Sports Star Subjects". You said they were issued in 4 boxes of 12 each. So I assume that means there are 48 different cards in that issue which would match the original 1947 Bond Bread cards. You mentioned these cards and how they were sold. Did you see them for sell in the store, if so what year? Or did you see the boxes for sell in some auction? It would be great if we were able to figure out the date of issue.

I noticed your George Raft card doesn't have the same script used for his name as the baseball and boxing cards. Based on this significant difference, my guess is that your movie star card is not really one of the bread cards. Or if it is, it is from a completely different year. But that's just a guess.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The Movie Stars' cards had their names printed.....note my Jimmy Stewart card.


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George Raft had close connections to Baseball. As a teenager, he was a bat-boy for the New York
Highlanders (circa 1910). He also tried out for semi-pro baseball before becoming a movie star. An
avid baseball fan, George Raft would attend every World Series from the late 1920's thru to 1957.

Barry Sloate has seen many autographed items (photos, etc.) of Raft with star BB players.


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I have been reading this thread with interest and have now scanned a 1/22/93 SCD article concerning the 24 card "subset". Whether or not the author's comments are all true I cannot say but is does shed some light no matter:

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Thanks for digging up this article. It essentially covers about everything we have mulled over in
th 40 posts in this thread.

There is one comment in it that confirms my understanding of the Festberg "warehouse find" of
the SQUARE cards. The author notes "the square cards are beige backed, while the round cards
are stark white".

Yet, David M. has one of these sets and the backs of his 24 cards are "stark white" ? ?

This is really becoming frustrating, we just cannot arrive at a consistent set of facts regarding
these SQUARE cards.


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I currently own a round cornered Joe Louis (illustrated above). I've also had the square cornered ones in the past. The round Louis I own is the only one I've ever found up for sale. The square cards are available all the time. I think we may actually have a situation where the round cards went into bread, the square cards went into boxes, and the find added 3000 cards each to the pop of 24 of the square cards.

Here is an image of the cards in the boxes; I guess these would be W571
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Ok, so based on the cards showing through the front of these boxes, the Festberg "find" was of series 3 and series 4 cards. That means the more difficult to find cards are all from series 1 and 2. Thanks for posting the picture of the boxes.

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But why is there a difference in back color between the Festberg find and the ones that were sold in boxes?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The set of 48 (SQUARE) cards in the Sports Star Subjects issue are most likely "excess press runs"
of cards from the original 1947 Bond Bread set. The 1947 ROUND cards were available in Bond bread
from 1947 thru 1948. My guess is that the Sports Star Subjects set was available in 1949 thru the
1950's.

In my opinion, the source of the 3000 cards in the Festberg find are anyone's guess....."reprints" or
whatever. If their backs are discolored ("beige"....as the article described), then they are definitely
not "excess" cards from the original 1947 printing.

This has been my contention from the start, and it still stands. Unless someone can otherwise con-
vince me.


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The pictures for many of the 1947 Bond Bread cards were derived from the Team Photo Packs sold at the souvenir stands at the Stadiums.

Any one know if the same printing firm printed the photos and the cards ?



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JDRUM asked an excellent question earlier in this thread......
"Is there any way to know whether these cards (1947 Bond Bread) were "out" bf the 1947 Tip Top bread cards?"

Jeff.....I've looked into this, and judging from my Tip Top Yankees team sub-set which includes Mel Queen, my best
guess is that the Tip Top set was issued in the Spring of '47. Mel Queen was traded to the Pittsburgh in July of '47.

I did not collect the Tip Top cards as a kid....However, I think it is safe to say that the Bond and Tip Top sets were
issued simultaneously.


I highly recommend to Net54er's to view a video (or read) of the events of the 1947 World Series. There were many
stars in this exciting 7-game series. Over the years it's been very interesting how average ballplayers have raised the
level of their game in World Series play to become the "hero".

Johnny Lindell was such a "hero" in the 1947 W. S. Besides his two tremendous diving catches in LF to squelch Dodger
rallies....his batting Stats led both teams.

6.........Games (injury kept him out of 7th game)
18.......AB
9.........Hits
7.........RBI
.500.....BA
.778.....SLA

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See attached for some movie stars. I thought the back was interesting as I hadn't seen the 46 cards mentioned before like this. The Hess reference looks to be a stamp added after printing.

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Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).


This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended:

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It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version.

I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way.

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I rescued George from a junk box on a dealer's table because of his association with the Jewish mob. Raft ran with a tough crowd as a kid but happened to be talented enough to have a different route out of poverty. He was a friend of several major crime figures, including Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky.

He also was a pro boxer under the name Brownie Ranft. He had 17 fights before calling it quits.
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