NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for BSelling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you write anything concerning a person or company your full name needs to be in your post or obtainable from it. . Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB
T206s on Ebay
Pre-WWII Cards
Post WWII Cards
Vintage Memorabilia
Babe Ruth Cards
Ty Cobb Cards
Lou Gehrig Cards
Mickey Mantle Cards
Goudey Cards
Bowman Cards
T205s on Ebay
Tobacco "T" Cards
Caramel "E" Cards
Vintage Baseball Postcards
Football Cards on Ebay
Exhibit Cards
Strip Cards
Baking Cards
Sporting News
Playball Cards on Ebay

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 07-22-2016, 12:53 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default Bond Bread Cards 2nd set

Please post the names of the Players 2nd set square corners. thank you, Douglas
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Old 07-22-2016, 01:53 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
According to the SCD article, here's the checklist:
1. Rex Barney
2. Yogi Berra
3. Ewell Blackwell*
4. Lou Boudreau*
5. Ralph Branca
6. Harry Brecheen*
7. Primo Carnera*
8. Marchel Cerdan
9. Dom DiMaggio
10. Joe DiMaggio
11. Bobby Doerr*
12. Bruce Edwards
13. Bob Elliott*
14. Del Ennis*
15. Bob Feller*
16. Carl Furillo
17. Joe Gordon*
18. Cid Gordon
19. Joe Hatten
20. Gil Hodges
21. Tommy Holmes*
22. Larry Jansen
23. Sheldon Jones
24. Eddie Joost
25. Charlie Keller
26. Ken Keltner*
27. Buddy Kerr
28. Ralph Kiner*
29. Jake LaMotta
30. Johnny Lindell
31. Whitey Lockman
32. Joe Louis*
33. Willard Marshall
34. John Mize*
35. Stan Musial*
36. Andy Pafko*
37. Johnny Pesky*
38. Pee Wee Reese
39. Phil Rizzuto*
40. Jackie Robinson*
41. Aaron Robinson*
42. Johnny Sain*
43. Enos Slaughter*
44. Vern Stephens*
45. Birdie Tebbets
46. Bobby Thomson
47. Johnny Vander Meer
48. Ted Williams*
If I understand what you're asking, which is what players show up in the square corner set, they are marked here with an *.

Last edited by GasHouseGang; 07-22-2016 at 02:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 07-22-2016, 06:03 PM
tedzan tedzan is offline
Ted Zanidakis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsylvania & Maine
Posts: 8,425
Default

I don't believe this list is correct....Walker Cooper should be on this list.

TED Z
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 07-22-2016, 08:58 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

I believe you, but he isn't on the SCD list. Do you see someone that shouldn't be on the list?
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 07-22-2016, 09:19 PM
spec spec is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 245
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan View Post
I don't believe this list is correct....Walker Cooper should be on this list.

TED Z
Could someone post a Bond Bread-size Walker Cooper? It has been my understanding that he only appears in the exhibit-size version of this issue.
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 07-22-2016, 10:00 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan View Post
I don't believe this list is correct....Walker Cooper should be on this list.

TED Z
Ted, your own list in post #7 doesn't include Walker Cooper.
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 07-23-2016, 02:18 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default bond cards

To stir the pot a bit. I have 22 cards of the square corners, which we all believe are the second set. Help my confusion here please. My Vern Stephens card shows him in a St. Louis Browns uniform and he played there in 47. If this card is a later version, would he not be in a Red Sox Suit.
Also, if I post my 22 cards, which 2 are missing or can I assume 2 from the original set? Douglas
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 07-23-2016, 03:04 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default Bond Cards

Following the list, I have cards (12 of them) that belong in the first list, but that cannot be, because they all are square corners, yet they all were purchased in the Late 40's as I am the only owner. 10 of them are correct according to the list. My total cards are 22 Douglas
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 07-23-2016, 03:34 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

I think you need to show a scan of what you have. So you purchased yours in the 1940's?
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 07-23-2016, 04:26 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default Bond pics

Yes, 1947-48 I believe. happy to post these, but the only way I can is one at a time on the printer, another way is from Smart Phone to my email and then to this site. Not to sharp on computer stuff, so if you advise, I will listen. Thank you, douglas
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 07-23-2016, 04:44 PM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 4,524
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by doolittle1.1.1 View Post
Yes, 1947-48 I believe. happy to post these, but the only way I can is one at a time on the printer, another way is from Smart Phone to my email and then to this site. Not to sharp on computer stuff, so if you advise, I will listen. Thank you, douglas
I assume your printer doesn't have a scanner?

Another way would be to take a picture, or 2-3, then upload them to your computer then use the "manage attachments" below your new post and upload them to the site.

Not sure the age of your computer and if it has a photo option, but there are many on the internet for free to use if you don't?

You'll have to ask what other's use/think is the best however.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid...oading%20sites

Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 07-23-2016, 05:37 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by doolittle1.1.1 View Post
Yes, 1947-48 I believe. happy to post these, but the only way I can is one at a time on the printer, another way is from Smart Phone to my email and then to this site. Not to sharp on computer stuff, so if you advise, I will listen. Thank you, douglas
I think if you could just post a typed list of what you have, that would be informative, you don't have to show every card. If you could just post a picture of one card that isn't supposed to be available with square corners that would show an example of what you have.
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 07-23-2016, 06:22 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Archive View Post
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

[linked image]

Listed here are the 44 BB cards in this set by Teams and the 4 Boxers

NEW YORK GIANTS
-------------------
JOHNNY MIZE
SID GORDON
LARRY JANSEN
SHELDON JONES
BUDDY KERR
WHITEY LOCKMAN
WILLARD MARSHALL
BOBBY THOMSON

BROOKLYN DODGERS
--------------------
JACKIE ROBINSON
REX BARNEY
RALPH BRANCA
BRUCE EDWARDS
CARL FURILLO
JOE HATTEN
GIL HODGES
PEE WEE REESE


NEW YORK YANKEES
--------------------
JOE DiMAGGIO
LARRY BERRA
JOE GORDON
CHARLIE KELLER
JOHNNY LINDELL
PHIL RIZZUTO
AARON ROBINSON

BOSTON RED SOX
------------------
TED WILLIAMS
DOM DIMAGGIO
BOBBY DOERR
JOHNNY PESKY

CLEVELAND INDIANS
---------------------
BOB FELLER
LOU BOUDREAU
KEN KELTNER
BIRDIE TEBBETTS

ST LOUIS CARDINALS
----------------------
STAN MUSIAL
HARRY BRECHEEN
ENOS SLAUGHTER

BOSTON BRAVES
-----------------
JOHNNY SAIN
BOB ELLIOTT
TOMMY HOLMES

CINCINNATI REDS
-------------------
EWELL BLACKWELL
JOHNNY VANDERMEER

CHICAGO CUBS
-------------
ANDY PAFKO

PHILADELPHIA ATHLETICS
--------------------------
EDDIE JOOST

PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
-------------------------
DEL ENNIS

PITTSBURGH PIRATES
----------------------
RALPH KINER

ST LOUIS BROWNS
-------------------
VERN STEPHENS


BOXERS
--------
PRIMO CARNERA
MARCEL CERDAN
JAKE LAMOTTA
JOE LOUIS


TED Z

In my set(square corners) is Vern Stephens and 9 others that are listed in the second set but are not really there. So , my question is trying to understand if my squares are such a late issue, would Stephens be wearing a St Louis Brown uniform
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 07-23-2016, 06:49 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default list of square corners

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
I think if you could just post a typed list of what you have, that would be informative, you don't have to show every card. If you could just post a picture of one card that isn't supposed to be available with square corners that would show an example of what you have.
rex barney ewell blackwell lou boudreau harry brecheen dom d joe d bobby doer bob elliot carl furillo cid gordon tommy holmes larry jansen eddie joost buddy kerr johnny lindel willard marshall pee wee reese phil rizzuto jackie robinson johnny sain bobby thompson vern stephens
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 07-24-2016, 06:49 AM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyman View Post
Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).


This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230415942970

It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version.

I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way.

Lovely Day...
I am with you on the head hurting and I just got into this a week ago. My cards truly were found in an old scrapbook I have from around Cleveland Indian World Series time (1948). All my neighborhood was collecting these cards, so I know they are original and not reprinted. My dilemma is why are the same pictures in the first set of 48 in my set of 24. Also, my picture of Vern Stephens is in a St Louis Browns uniform of 1947, and in 48 and later he played for Red Sox. In my eye, when I look at the back of my pics, they look white, considering the age.
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 07-24-2016, 07:54 AM
Exhibitman's Avatar
Exhibitman Exhibitman is offline
Ad@m W@r$h@w
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beautiful Downtown Burbank
Posts: 8,310
Default

The fact that Stephens appears in a 1947 uniform in a later card is not an anachronism. If he'd been in a Red Sox uni it would disprove an issue date from before the trade.
__________________
Please visit my web site: www.americasgreatboxingcards.com
Judge a man by how he treats someone who can do nothing for him--Nick Charles
God is not on our side because He hates idiots--The Good
I've had a lovely time, but this wasn't it--Groucho
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 07-24-2016, 03:52 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

As they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words". Since DiMaggio isn't supposed to be available with square corners, maybe you could take a pic of just that card.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 07-24-2016, 07:22 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
As they say, "A picture is worth a thousand words". Since DiMaggio isn't supposed to be available with square corners, maybe you could take a pic of just that card.
I posted the Di Maggio and just think, there are 11 more square corners...... this is too much fun,,,, I think that they think, that I am full of it.......The only thing that ruins this whole thing is the 10 year old that scotch taped the corners in the scrapbook... I am still hopeful my In Law can save these corners....
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 07-24-2016, 07:55 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

I'm sorry, I just now realized that the cards with the tape marks previously posted were yours. Well, maybe the expert on these, who also collected them when they came out, will have an answer.
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 07-26-2016, 03:27 PM
tedzan tedzan is offline
Ted Zanidakis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsylvania & Maine
Posts: 8,425
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan View Post
I don't believe this list is correct....Walker Cooper should be on this list.

TED Z

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
Ted, your own list in post #7 doesn't include Walker Cooper.

My list in Post #7 applies ONLY to the 1947 BOND BREAD cards (Rounded corners) set.

If you go back and read the posts in this thread, you will realize that the Square-cornered set is NOT exactly the same issue.


Sorry, I did not respond to you on this earlier, but I was in Cooperstown these past 6 days.


TED Z
.
Reply With Quote
  #121  
Old 07-27-2016, 08:49 AM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

OK, I think I'm a bit lost again. The list I posted was from the SCD article and was supposed to be the Bond Bread 1947 set, and the cards with an * were in the later find of 24 cards square cornered, which may or may not be reprints. I think the unknown for me, is what cards are in the 1949 square cornered set. Is there a checklist for these? Based on the picture of the boxes there should be 48 "Sports Stars" which may include two boxers. Where the movie stars fit into this hasn't been explained.
Reply With Quote
  #122  
Old 07-27-2016, 09:10 AM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
OK, I think I'm a bit lost again. The list I posted was from the SCD article and was supposed to be the Bond Bread 1947 set, and the cards with an * were in the later find of 24 cards square cornered, which may or may not be reprints. I think the unknown for me, is what cards are in the 1949 square cornered set. Is there a checklist for these? Based on the picture of the boxes there should be 48 "Sports Stars" which may include two boxers. Where the movie stars fit into this hasn't been explained.
You are right on the money about being lost I AM LOSTER THAN YOU. Nobody will believe that my set is from 48-49 when another set was made in the 1980's. The only one authentic is me, so far, because I have had them since the 40.s... Is this fun or what
Reply With Quote
  #123  
Old 08-02-2016, 03:32 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
OK, I think I'm a bit lost again. The list I posted was from the SCD article and was supposed to be the Bond Bread 1947 set, and the cards with an * were in the later find of 24 cards square cornered, which may or may not be reprints. I think the unknown for me, is what cards are in the 1949 square cornered set. Is there a checklist for these? Based on the picture of the boxes there should be 48 "Sports Stars" which may include two boxers. Where the movie stars fit into this hasn't been explained.
I found this picture I had saved away from the non-sport website. If these were the box for the W673 "Navy Ships", maybe the same company is responsible for the 1949 square cornered "Sports Stars" set, and the "Movie Stars". The box certainly looks the same, or at least similar.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg W673 Navy Ships Box.jpg (51.0 KB, 388 views)
File Type: jpg W673 Navy Ships Label.jpg (25.6 KB, 386 views)
File Type: jpg Bond boxes Sport Star Subjects.jpg (71.9 KB, 385 views)

Last edited by GasHouseGang; 08-02-2016 at 03:34 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #124  
Old 08-02-2016, 03:47 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan View Post
Hey "Bubba"

Can we see a scan of the back of this Blackwell card.


TED Z
.
My pic is the same as this one with same description of the back being flimsy,.. The fact remains , I have had these cards with square corners since the late 1940's Doug doc

Last edited by doolittle1.1.1; 08-02-2016 at 03:47 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #125  
Old 08-02-2016, 03:53 PM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tedzan View Post
Hey "Bubba"

Can we see a scan of the back of this Blackwell card.


TED Z
.
What a great find. Who is the smiley face Rex Barney???? Are these for sale?
Reply With Quote
  #126  
Old 08-02-2016, 04:06 PM
GasHouseGang's Avatar
GasHouseGang GasHouseGang is offline
David M.
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: S. California
Posts: 1,726
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GasHouseGang View Post
I found this picture I had saved away from the non-sport website. If these were the box for the W673 "Navy Ships", maybe the same company is responsible for the 1949 square cornered "Sports Stars" set, and the "Movie Stars". The box certainly looks the same, or at least similar.
While the box looks like the "Sports Stars", the cards don't look much like the others, so I doubt they are connected. Here are some images of the "Navy Ships and Planes", which is the actual title of the 36 card set.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Navy Ships And Airplanes and Promotional Sheet.jpg (21.1 KB, 385 views)
File Type: jpg Navy Ships And Airplanes.jpg (21.4 KB, 385 views)
Reply With Quote
  #127  
Old 08-03-2016, 08:10 AM
Harford20's Avatar
Harford20 Harford20 is offline
Dave H@rford
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 522
Default

Doug,
The "smiley face" is Gil Hodges.
Reply With Quote
  #128  
Old 08-03-2016, 08:27 AM
doolittle1.1.1 doolittle1.1.1 is offline
doug
member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: punta gorda fl
Posts: 42
Default

Thank you, douglas
Reply With Quote
  #129  
Old 08-21-2016, 09:22 AM
danmckee danmckee is offline
member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,399
Default

I have 25 square corner baseball players and 1 boxer that have the same exact white paper backing and not the cream color. These are originals for sure, cards are identical to my clipped corner ones. Dan

Last edited by danmckee; 08-21-2016 at 09:22 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #130  
Old 09-01-2016, 10:24 AM
vintagetoppsguy's Avatar
vintagetoppsguy vintagetoppsguy is offline
D@v!d J@m3s
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,337
Default

Thank you, Lee, for reviving this thread back in June (Post #70). I am assuming the question was regarding the Musial in your June auction. I won the card and I’ve read through this thread (and found a lot of useful information), but still have some questions if anybody can help.

I am assuming this card was part of the Collectors & Traders Sports Star Subjects 4 box set that was made by Aarco Playing Cards (Chicago). How do we know for sure the cards were made in ‘48/’49? Why couldn’t they have been made at the same time as the Bond Bread (’47)?

There is one eBay seller that seems to think so…

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-W571-Aa...vip=true&rt=nc


I have a few interesting observations between the one on eBay and the one I purchased from Lee. (1) The card on eBay is cropped a little closer than mine. Look at the left and right borders and you can see more of the image on mine. (2) The name on his is more towards the bottom. The name on mins is a little higher up. (3) The back of his card appears to be more white (could be the scan though) and I thought I read that the white backs were considered reprints?? Is his a reprint? It sure looks like it shows its age (nearly 70 years old).

Is it possible there were multiple print runs and the formatting changed? If ours are both Sports Star Subjects, why the differences?

The one I purchased from Lee


The one on eBay


The back of mine


The back of the one on eBay


Here is a Bond Bread just to compare to. Note that even the Bond Bread is cropped more closely than mine.
Reply With Quote
  #131  
Old 09-02-2016, 09:07 AM
tedzan tedzan is offline
Ted Zanidakis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsylvania & Maine
Posts: 8,425
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy View Post
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1947-W571-Aa...vip=true&rt=nc



Is it possible there were multiple print runs and the formatting changed? If ours are both Sports Star Subjects, why the differences?

The one I purchased from Lee


The one on eBay


The back of mine


The back of the one on eBay


Here is a Bond Bread just to compare to. Note that even the Bond Bread is cropped more closely than mine.
David

The Musial card on ebay is an original (circa 1949) issue. Its white back confirms this.

Your Musial card is a reprint (circa ? ? ). Its toned back indicates that this card is not an original Sports Star Subject issued in 1949.

Furthermore, the image on the reprint lacks the contrast of the 1949 issue. And, if you compare the thickness of the cardboard of these two cards,
the 1949 card will feel thicker than the reprint card.


TED Z
.
Reply With Quote
  #132  
Old 09-02-2016, 09:19 AM
vintagetoppsguy's Avatar
vintagetoppsguy vintagetoppsguy is offline
D@v!d J@m3s
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,337
Default

Ted, thanks! But if mine is a reprint, it has to be a reprint from the original plate, right? Because mine shows more of the image than the one on eBay (and even the Bond Bread for that matter).
Reply With Quote
  #133  
Old 09-02-2016, 09:26 AM
Sterling Sports Auctions's Avatar
Sterling Sports Auctions Sterling Sports Auctions is offline
Lee B.
lee be.hrens
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Alexandria, MN
Posts: 749
Default

Hi Again,

I have another group of these from another consignor, the backs are very white. From my understanding you believe the white backs to be a reprint. Is there a possibility that another company could have issued these? similar to T206s, T205s, M101-4?

Lee
__________________
Tired of Ebay or looking for a place to sell your cards, let SterlingSportsAuctions.com do the work for you, monthly auctions.
Reply With Quote
  #134  
Old 09-02-2016, 09:38 AM
EYECOLLECTVINTAGE's Avatar
EYECOLLECTVINTAGE EYECOLLECTVINTAGE is offline
Stephen
Stephen Abb.ondandolo
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: NY
Posts: 2,367
Default

Could these be Bond Bread Related???

Reply With Quote
  #135  
Old 09-02-2016, 09:59 AM
vintagetoppsguy's Avatar
vintagetoppsguy vintagetoppsguy is offline
D@v!d J@m3s
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,337
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bowlingshoegiverouterguy View Post
Hi Again,

I have another group of these from another consignor, the backs are very white. From my understanding you believe the white backs to be a reprint. Is there a possibility that another company could have issued these? similar to T206s, T205s, M101-4?

Lee
From Ted's answer above, he says that the Sport Star Subjects have a white back, so it sounds like the ones you have are probably Sport Star Subjects and mine is something else. I'm just wondering where mine originated from? Since mine shows more of the actual image than the Sport Star or the Bond Bread, mine had to have been made from the original plate, right? Mine also shares a characteristic as some of the Bond Bread in that it isn't cut correctly. On mine, you can see some of the next card on the sheet on right and bottom border. Many of the Bond Bread are this way too. Even though mine isn't a Sport Star, I'm convinced that it was made during the same time, possible by another company as Lee suggests.
Reply With Quote
  #136  
Old 09-02-2016, 11:12 AM
tedzan tedzan is offline
Ted Zanidakis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsylvania & Maine
Posts: 8,425
Default

Hey guys,

As I've said in my 1st post in this thread, I collected the original Bond Bread cards in the Summer of 1947. Here are some of my original cards......




I have an excellent memory of these cards (as they were the first BB cards I collected as an 8-year old kid). Plus, I'm fortunate to have
all my original cards from my youth.

These Bond Bread (Rounded corners) cards were available from Bond Bread packages to us kids in my neighborhood in 1947 and 1948.

My research indicates that circa 1949 the Square versions of these B/W cards were available. These Square cards were never available
in our neighborhood. Rounded or Square, these 48-card issues were printed on good quality cardboard which has remained WHITE for
almost 70 years.


Circa 1980, David Festberg (hobby dealer) discovered in a North Jersey warehouse a box (or boxes) containing 1000's of B/W (Square
cornered) cards similar to the above cards. However,

1....there were only 24 (of the 48) subjects in this find.

2....these 24 cards were printed on an inferior cardboard stock, as these cards are thinner than the 1947 and 1949 issues.
And, the backs of the cards are "TONED", instead of WHITE.

Furthermore, when you compare the original cards (1947 & 1949) with the cards from Festberg's find, it's quite obvious that the original
cards have a noticeable B/W contrast. Where the Festberg cards' images are somewhat "faded"....indicative of reprints.

Long-time collectors/dealers have arrived at these same observations as I have stated here.


TED Z
.

Last edited by tedzan; 04-08-2020 at 09:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #137  
Old 09-02-2016, 12:43 PM
Pat R's Avatar
Pat R Pat R is offline
P@trick R.omolo
member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,524
Default

David,

Your Musial looks very similar to one that belongs to a friend of mine.
img750.jpg
img749.jpg
His mother purchased them for him through an ad in the NY Times back in
the late 80's or early 90's. There are 24 of them and I believe they
are the ones Ted is referring to that came from the "Festberg" find.

His Musial even has similar looking "Scuff" marks on the front as yours.
my-musial-front.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #138  
Old 09-02-2016, 01:41 PM
vintagetoppsguy's Avatar
vintagetoppsguy vintagetoppsguy is offline
D@v!d J@m3s
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 5,337
Default

Thanks, Ted and Pat. I have no doubt mine is from Festberg discovery, however I do question as to when they were printed. I also contend that they were printed from the original plate. Notice the image on mine and the one Pat showed. You see more of the picture than you do on the Bond Bread or the Sport Star. See the right border, Musial's left foot? You see more of the white sock than you do on the Bond Bread or the Sport Star. Also notice that the bottom border of mine extends further than both of the others. Usually reprints are cropped tighter than the cards they were printed from. Mine is just the opposite. So, I ask this question. Why couldn't mine (the Festberg discovery) have been printed close to the same time that the Bond Bread and Sport Stars were? Maybe they were printed for some purpose and just never got distributed for whatever reason.
Reply With Quote
  #139  
Old 09-02-2016, 03:52 PM
tedzan tedzan is offline
Ted Zanidakis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsylvania & Maine
Posts: 8,425
Default

David......I don't know if you have gone thru this lengthy thread and read the interesting posts in it.

Anyhow, I'm reprising Post #49 here since it pertains to our current discussion......

Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyman View Post
Before I begin, let me state that this is an old thread (from early 2009........I can still remember that year as though it was yesterday....).


This is for prosperity and for Ted Z.... The following eBay item just ended:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=230415942970

It was for the complete 24 card '47 Bond Bread imposter cards/set (22 baseball + Joe Louis & Primo Carnera) which were unearthed by Dave Festberg. The seller stated he purchased the set in 1990 from B&J as noted in the SCD article. The card backs were the beige variety not the white version.

I passed on bidding on this item but was surprised to see it only sold for $102 (Nr/Mt set). I have always greatly appreciated everything I have learned (and continue learning) about this set from Ted Z., but at the end of his dissertations it always makes my head hurt. Plus, there is always the possibility that it is in fact a reprinted set. Guess, others feel the same way.

Lovely Day...

Furthermore, your question as to when these cards (that I have referred to as the "reprinted 24") were printed. I'll respond with these three points.............

1.....If (as you say) these reprints' images appear to be larger than the original 1947 & 1949 cards' images, frankly, I don't see more than a 1/64 of an inch
increase, if at all.

2.....And, any negligible increase could be explained by the fact that these same images were most likely reprinted from the (late 1940's) Exhibit size cards
of this series.
So, perhaps the "reprinted 24" cards (Festberg find) were printed from the Exhibits.

3.....I got back into this hobby in the 1970's. And during the 1970's, I was searching for 1947 Bond Bread cards to upgrade my original set of the 44 BB and
the 4 Boxers.
I never saw any of these "reprinted 24" cards until Festberg revealed his find in the early 1980's.

Therefore, my guess is that these reprints were printed in circa 1980-1981.


TED Z
.
Reply With Quote
  #140  
Old 09-12-2016, 12:33 AM
mfil5 mfil5 is offline
member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 3
Default

Hello everyone, my uncle bought a set of these circa 1988 and we've been wondering for quite some time if these were the actual '47 card set. Alas we now realize that these are most likely not. My question is, are they worth anything and if so, what? Also did anyone else buy from the same people? I've attatched pics of the letter that came with the cards and of the cards themselves. Any info would be much appreciated.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg image.jpg (10.4 KB, 292 views)

Last edited by mfil5; 09-12-2016 at 12:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #141  
Old 09-12-2016, 12:38 AM
mfil5 mfil5 is offline
member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 3
Default

EDIT: it seems I can only post pictures one at a time.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1947a.jpg (54.7 KB, 318 views)

Last edited by Leon; 09-14-2016 at 02:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #142  
Old 09-12-2016, 01:09 PM
tedzan tedzan is offline
Ted Zanidakis
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsylvania & Maine
Posts: 8,425
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfil5 View Post
Hello everyone, my uncle bought a set of these circa 1988 and we've been wondering for quite some time if these were the actual '47 card set. Alas we now realize that these are most likely not. My question is, are they worth anything and if so, what? Also did anyone else buy from the same people? I've attatched pics of the letter that came with the cards and of the cards themselves. Any info would be much appreciated.

mfil5

Your cards on display in Posts #141, 142 & 143 exactly coincide with my list of the 24 cards in the 1980's find by David Festberg.
Furthermore the backs of these cards appear to be "toned" (instead of bright white). Therefore, I would conclude that these cards
are not from the original 1949 issued set.

What are they worth ? If they get graded and the flip identifies them wrongly as "1947 Bond Bread"......it's anyone's guess ? ?


Here is the list of the 24 cards in the Festberg find......

Ewell Blackwell
Lou Boudreau
Harry Brecheen
Primo Carnera
Bobby Doerr
Bob Elliott
Del Ennis
Bob Feller
Joe Gordon
Tommy Holmes
Ken Keltner
Ralph Kiner
Joe Louis
Johnny Mize
Stan Musial
Andy Pafko
Johnny Pesky
Phil Rizzuto
Jackie Robinson
Aaron Robinson
Johnny Sain
Enos Slaughter
Vern Stephens
Ted Williams


TED Z
.
Reply With Quote
  #143  
Old 09-12-2016, 03:30 PM
mfil5 mfil5 is offline
member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 3
Default

Thanks for the response, after doing some digging I found that the guy that my uncle bought them from, Stanley Apfelbaum, was a "controversial" coin dealer before being barred from that and then moved on to sports memorabilia sometime in the 80s. Did anyone else buy from Mr. Apfelbaum's Rookie Card Club in the late 80s? And if so does anyone know if they were legit? The whole story behind these cards is really interesting and I'm just trying to piece all of this together.
Reply With Quote
  #144  
Old 09-14-2016, 02:20 PM
Leon's Avatar
Leon Leon is offline
Leon
peasant/forum owner
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: near Dallas
Posts: 29,439
Default

Those pictures of the cards you posted were consolidated into one post. Not sure why it didn't work for you...

It's too bad but there are thousands of stories we hear which are similar to this. Many of the stories are contrived but there are a lot of folks who have been duped and just don't know it yet (generally speaking).

btw, great info right there Ted re: Festberg stuff!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfil5 View Post
Thanks for the response, after doing some digging I found that the guy that my uncle bought them from, Stanley Apfelbaum, was a "controversial" coin dealer before being barred from that and then moved on to sports memorabilia sometime in the 80s. Did anyone else buy from Mr. Apfelbaum's Rookie Card Club in the late 80s? And if so does anyone know if they were legit? The whole story behind these cards is really interesting and I'm just trying to piece all of this together.
__________________
Leon Luckey

Last edited by Leon; 09-14-2016 at 02:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #145  
Old 09-14-2016, 02:26 PM
tjenkins tjenkins is offline
Todd Jenkins
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Clark, South Dakota (rural)
Posts: 348
Default

Awesome post. Learned a lot!
__________________
Collect Vikings, Twins, Vintage HOF and also Off-Center vintage. ***A journey of a 1,000 miles begins with a single card! -Cardfusious
Trade Page:

[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187700522@N03/

Recent positve trades with: Brian Van Horn, frank bmd, nkesterke09, ajg, esehombre, mrmantlecollector, KC Doughboy, gregr2,bn2cardz, sycks22
Reply With Quote
  #146  
Old 04-19-2017, 08:37 PM
Gobucsmagic74's Avatar
Gobucsmagic74 Gobucsmagic74 is offline
Dan
Dan Hi.cks
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Rockledge, Fl
Posts: 1,851
Default

Anyone happen to know when the 13 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson cards were issued relative to the original 48 card Bond Bread set with rounded/die cut corners?
__________________
B/S/T deals completed with Kzoo, VintageGamerN00b, RayBShotz, Batter67up, brian29575, ChuckLaw08, itjclarke, 3-2-count, GradyM333, 39special, sox1903wschamp, Republicaninmass, BKasarda, vcuono, mlfink83, vintagewhitesox, bobbvc, bobbyw8469, 71buc, MattyFan, pencil1974(3), Webster, CMIZ5290, glchen, sycks22, Epps, GehrigFan, 1952boyntoncollector, wilkiebaby11, chiprop, ezez420, aloondilana, BosseFieldBoy, AddieJoss, Baseball*Collectibles
Reply With Quote
  #147  
Old 04-19-2017, 10:54 PM
vintagerookies51's Avatar
vintagerookies51 vintagerookies51 is offline
Cole Hibbard
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 471
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74 View Post
Anyone happen to know when the 13 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson cards were issued relative to the original 48 card Bond Bread set with rounded/die cut corners?
Take a look at this thread- goes into great detail
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169
__________________
Now looking for 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson rookie cards (12/13). View my collection here... http://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/hibba032

Successful BST deals with: Smanzari, Edwolf1963, Sean1125, scmavl, Runscott, jthorst75, EYECOLLECTVINTAGE
Reply With Quote
  #148  
Old 04-19-2017, 11:16 PM
NiceDocter NiceDocter is offline
Rocky Rockwell
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Jacksonville , Florida
Posts: 281
Default

Have read this thread today with interest. I remember the cards being for sale back in the late 70s in an ad in the Trader Speaks but passed on them as I had a feeling they were NOT originals at the time. Interestingly, I bought about 40 or so 8 x 10 black and white poster-like inserts(?) of the same players and poses at the Saturday Flea market where back in the day you could still make some cool finds.... still have them buried in a box somewhere, I remember Ted Williams, Joe Louis, Primo Carnera, Max Baer, Phil Rizzuto, Stan Musial, Bob Feller and a few others.... they were on a soft paper looked to be from the 40s or 50s..... same poses and signatures..... any info on these? Blank backed .... no manufacturer anywhere. They do have borders on them unlike a lot of the cards Ive seen.

Last edited by NiceDocter; 04-19-2017 at 11:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #149  
Old 04-20-2017, 12:30 AM
Gobucsmagic74's Avatar
Gobucsmagic74 Gobucsmagic74 is offline
Dan
Dan Hi.cks
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Rockledge, Fl
Posts: 1,851
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by vintagerookies51 View Post
Take a look at this thread- goes into great detail
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171169
Great read...thanks for the link! Still trying to determine which card was released first though, the portrait with facsimile auto promo card (white borders) that is part of the Jackie set or the die cut/rounded corner portrait that was part of the regular issued 48 card set? Has this been established? And if so, which came first?
__________________
B/S/T deals completed with Kzoo, VintageGamerN00b, RayBShotz, Batter67up, brian29575, ChuckLaw08, itjclarke, 3-2-count, GradyM333, 39special, sox1903wschamp, Republicaninmass, BKasarda, vcuono, mlfink83, vintagewhitesox, bobbvc, bobbyw8469, 71buc, MattyFan, pencil1974(3), Webster, CMIZ5290, glchen, sycks22, Epps, GehrigFan, 1952boyntoncollector, wilkiebaby11, chiprop, ezez420, aloondilana, BosseFieldBoy, AddieJoss, Baseball*Collectibles
Reply With Quote
  #150  
Old 04-20-2017, 06:06 AM
CharleyBrown CharleyBrown is offline
Shaun Fyffe
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Rockland County, NY
Posts: 713
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74 View Post
Great read...thanks for the link! Still trying to determine which card was released first though, the portrait with facsimile auto promo card (white borders) that is part of the Jackie set or the die cut/rounded corner portrait that was part of the regular issued 48 card set? Has this been established? And if so, which came first?
The white border auto promo card was first distributed in June 1947 in NYC (and I believe outside of NYC, specifically Baltimore and DC - but I will confirm that in a few weeks once my schedule frees up and I have time to go through my last bit of research material).

While I am not sure an exact release date for either can be pinned down, Ted Z will likely be able to confirm whether or not the die-cut / rounded corners set of 44 was available prior to June 1947.

It should also be noted that, in addition to both the white facs. auto and the die cut set of 44 card, Jackie did have another card come out in 1947 - the Old Gold Kneeling in Dugout card. That card, however, was distributed in September, 1947.
__________________
-Shaun

Currently seeking Jackie Robinson cards
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:34 AM.


ebay GSB