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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Jim
Hello, longtime (years) lurker, first time poster. Thanks Ted for all your great research-oriented threads. I don't own a single t206 but I voraciously read anything you post on them. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: barrysloate
The 1967 Brook Robinson is a short printed card in the high number series...but I don't think the Bench or Carew are too tough. They may have just been very popular at that time. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: peter chao
I don't know about the Carew. |
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Posted By: CN
The 1972 Carew is also in the rare high number series. CN |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Paul S
I pulled this out of a pack, way back when. Peter is sort of correct about finding it in really nice condition. In this case, it's not wear, but an obnoxious diamond cut. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Rich Klein
But the 1967 Carew was in the late 1970's, a very easy card to find at shows. They were easy at very low prices. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I have put together two 1967 Topps sets, and I never found this BRobby to be as tough as others have said. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Chris Counts
From personal experience, I can tell you that in 1970, at least, the Bench card was very tough. That was the first year I went nuts over baseball cards. I was nine at the time. Whenever I got a dime, I bought a pack of cards. In Southern California, the first four series were widely available and pretty evenly distributed and I got them all fairly easily. I never saw series 4,5 and 6 in California. In August, I went back to Michigan to visit relatives. When I arrived, the 5th series was everywhere, and I soon had most of the cards. Then, just before we left for California in September, the 6th series came out and I bought a bunch of them. Getting the Mays card was one of my season highlights! The 1970 Topps Super set was available in Michigan at this time as well ... |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Jim Parker
Rich, can you elaborate on Rich Gelman's warehouse? I have never heard of this but it might be the foundation for the rumors I have heard regarding hording. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: peter chao
Jim, |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Paul S
My experience in California was different than Chris's in regard to '70 Topps. I had no problem buying hi series that year. But that was the exception, not the rule, as any previous year I was always hard pressed to find the higher series. This was in the San Fernando Valley. Chris, where were you located? |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
PETER |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Anthony
Chris, my experience was just a little different than yours. I bought my first baseball packs the first week of August, 1970. I remember because summer school ended the week before, the last week in July. The packs were definitely 4th series- I got Felipe Alou, all stars of Brooks, Carew, Powell, and Reggie, Dodgers and Phillies Team cards, Mauch, O'Donoghue, and I"m sure a few others I can't recall. I bought them until school started up, and never got 5th series cards at all. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Chris Counts
I grew up in Orange County. I must confess I didn't travel too far from home, being nine. But I bet I hit up every liquor and grocery store within a couple miles of where I lived. That was back in the days when, as a kid, you could roam the streets in the summer until the sun went down and parents didn't worry about you. Boy, the times have changed ... |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: peter chao
Ted, |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: peter chao
However, the Orioles did win the World Series in 1966 in 4 games over the Dodgers. Brooks didn't have a particularily good series but still there may have been more demand for '67 Topps B. Robby cards than normal. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Dave Hornish
This is my night of agreeing with Ted.....There was a find of a hoard of 67 nosebleeds in the early 80's (may have been late 70's) and Brooks was noted to be in short supply at the time. Further amplification of this was cause by the Beckett hi # uncut sheet which showed Brooks in a row of Single Printed cards. However, it appears there would be 2 hi # sheet configurations and on one Brooks is a Double Print. I think all cards in the 67 hi numbers are either printed 2, 3 or 4 times over two 132 card sheets (or one 264 card press sheet which is really how they were produced) but it has also been posited that the array could be 3x and 4x. I think Brooks appears 3 times over the two sheets. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Jim Parker
Ted, |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Chris Counts
I recall going to card shows in the late 70s and the '67 Brooks Robinson was highly sought-after, much more so than the hi-numbered rookies, Seaver and Carew ... |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Ricky Y
Based on my childhood memories...I recall the 72 Carew was tough for me simply because our neighborhood stores didn't carry the last two series. I didn't know they even existed until I visited a friend who had moved to another town and we were comparing our 72 cards. He had Bonds, Carew, Garvey etc..and I was blown away. It was weird because I was able to find 71 high number cards in my town the previous year. I was eventually able to complete my set by buying them from Stan Martucci in Long Island some years later. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You are on to something....I just looked at my 1979 Sport Americana Price Guide (by Beckett & Eckes)....and the Carew and Seaver Rookies |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: peter chao
Is the 1970 Bench also a hyped card? |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Peter C said: Is the 1970 Bench also a hyped card? |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Larry P.
Comments deleted due to irrelevance. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Dave Hornish
Sounds like there is a story concerning the Card Collectors Co and the 70 Bench? Gelman and son and their warehouse seem to figure in a lot of Topps mysteries, don't they? |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Jim Parker
Dave...good idea on the Gelman thread. |
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Posted By: Rich Klein
That all these years later we are baseball archeologists, trying to ferret out the past while many of the people around are still living. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Dave Hornish
I get the distinct feeling Richard Gelman does not like talking about his hobby past. A number of dealers I have met over the years are like that. There's a handful of them that could solve 2/3 of the big hobby mysteries but won't talk for one reason or another. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Dave Hornish
1970 was my first big year collecting as a kid, after dabbling in 1969. The Bench AS and regular card were, along with the Seaver and Aaron cards the most sought after of all in the set in my neighborhood that year. Bench was definitely a big name in 1970. |
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Posted By: dennis
dave why do you think these old-timers won't talk about the past of the hobby??? |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Dave Hornish
I think a majority of old time dealers were always in the habit of not talking much; sort of a business-protecting poker face. Not saying it's wrong, as it's a a strategic decision but it bugs me that a lot of questions could be answered if a few of them opened up. Maybe a series of posthumous diaries will emerge.....(uh, not) |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: dennis
i see, kind of like not filtering too much info out to the general public so people would not realize the rarity of cards they would sell. fritsch advertising to buy all the t206 doyles in trade mags. |
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Perceived or Real? rarity of 1967 B Robby, 1970 Bench
Posted By: Darren
The internet has opened up much of our hobby past to the general public. As a kid collecting in the 70's I relied on the major dealers to keep me informed on hobby scarcities, hot products, etc. Now-a-days this type of information is at our fingertips. |
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