Help with checklist........

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Posted By: daryle

I need a checklist for Chattanooga (TN) Lookouts players cards. I know that they are a few in the Colgans Chips series and some in the T210 Series 8.......can I get some help from you fellers with a list? Any CHATTANOOGA (TN) LOOKOUTS cards in vintage sets (prewar only). Email me or just list them here. Thanks in advance............

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Posted By: paulstratton

T210 Red Border

Chattanooga

Carson
Collins
Demaree
Dobbs
McLaurin
Miller
Patterson
Rhodes
Schlitzer
Yerkes

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Posted By: daryle

Thank you very much...........how about the Colgans Chips? Any in M116, T209, T212, etc etc.........?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Paul, could you help me with the list of Alabama players, Mobile, Montgomery, Birmingham?

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Posted By: daryle

You from 'bama?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Yes I am, Daryle. War Eagle!

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Posted By: paulstratton

Ask and ye shall receive.

Birmingham

Bauer, Elliot, Emery, Fleharty, Gygli, Kane, Larsen, Manuel, Marcan, McBride, McGilvray, McTigue, Molesworth, Newton, Ower, Schopp, Wagner

Mobile

Allen, Berger, Bittroff, Chappelle, Dunn, Hickman, Huelsman, Kerwin, Rhoton, Swacinia, Wagner, Wilder

Montgomery

Burnett, Daly, Graninger,Gribbin, Hart, McCreery, Miller, Nolley, Osteen, Pepe, Phillips, Pratt, Smith, Thomas(2), Whiteman

Good luck! They're all in Series 8 so you'll need it.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Thanks a ton Paul.

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Posted By: daryle

Where you from? I'm in Stevenson. Extreme NE corner, Jackson County

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Posted By: Anonymous

I have 5 of these cards now Paul. I owned quite a few more at one time but sold them. I regret that sale now. I also own an Orcutt, Montgomery Series 4. I also thought that all the Alabama team players were in Series 8.

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Posted By: paulstratton

The Montgomery in Series 4 is from the Virginia Valley League so I'm not sure they are the same place. I assume it's a smaller town in Virginia or West Virginia.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Daryle, You're practically a Yankee

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Posted By: Anonymous

Paul, there is a Montgomery County in Virginia. The "M"s and the uniforms are different, so I am sure you are right. Thank you.

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Posted By: daryle

Yup, 26 and counting..........................

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Posted By: daryle

I just remembered.................I have Lipset's book here with detailed checklists of E254 and T210..................and others.............duh!

guess its the Yankee coming out in me...........

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Montgomery West Virginia, for the Series 4 T210s, gentlemen.

Montgomery had a team in the Virginia Valley League in 1910. It was a Class D league. Teams were Huntington, Charleston, Point Pleasant, Ashland - Cattletsburg, Parkersburg, and Montgomery, who finished last with a 47 - 63 record. The league lasted only 1 season, 1910. John A Spinney and John C. Bond served as league presidents. Benny Kauff lead the league in batting and stolen bases for Parkersburg, hitting .336 and swiping 36 bases. Musta been difficult playing on those WV mountainsides.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Frank, where did you get all that information?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

One must know these things if he is to be wise in the ways of baseball...

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Posted By: Anonymous

All Hail the great OZ, I mean Frank

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Ok... the West Virginia stuff I recalled from reading. 1910 is the year of the cards, knew that. And I recalled Virgina Valley League, and it just had to be at the bottom rung of the minor league ladder, class D.

The rest I got from The Encyclopedia of Minor League Baseball, by Johnson and Wolff. Mine is a 1993 edition, the first. It is quite dispensable if all you care about is the major leaguers, and big league stuff. Indispensable if you care about the minors, too. It doesn't cover EVERYTHING that happened, but does list cities that had teams, the leagues and when they existed, most of the standings, a few of the league leaders on occasion, and a few other interesting facts, interesting that is if you care at all about minor league baseball. An individual's baseball library would be incomplete, in my estimation, without this book. ABE and Alibris show a couple of copies, one somewhat expensive.

And I appologize about the earlier post, I was in a "Monty Python"ish mood.

Frank

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Posted By: Anonymous

Nothing to be sorry for, Frank, I thought it was funny, and thanks for the info.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Daryle, you check back on this thread. I'm going to try to get you some stats for some of those Chattanooga players. Frank.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

T210 Red Border

Chattanooga 1910 Southern League

Chattanooga was in the Sally League in 1909, and moved up to the Southern League in 1910, replacing the Little Rock team. They finished in 4th place, in an 8 team league.

Carson c 86g 237ab 1sb .215avg
Collins of 137g 501ab 24sb .241avg
Demaree p 34g 81ab 1sb .148avg W13 - L15
Dobbs of 75g 248ab 12sb .217avg
McLaurin of 141g 479ab 21sb .250avg
Miller
Patterson 2b 129g 453ab 25sb .245avg *also with Nashville
Rhodes p 10g 20ab 1sb .200avg
Schlitzer p 25g 57ab 3sb .140avg W7 - L11
Yerkes ss 141g 459ab 27sb .278avg


I think Dobbs is John Dobbs, born in Chattanooga, who was in the majors 1901-1905, he was an outfielder. Seems plausable.

McLaurin may be outfielder Ralph McLaurin, who was up for 8 games in 1908 with the Cardinals.

Demaree could be pitcher Al Demaree who came up with the Giants in 1912, his last year in the majors was 1919.

Rhodes could be Bob Rhoads who's in T206, last ml year was 1909. Or Charlie Rhodes, who pitched for the Cardinals and Reds in 1906, 1908 and 1909. Or it may well be someone else entirely... maybe look at the T206 card, and one of those Cardinals panographic team photos. Compare those images to the T210 card.

Schlitzer might be Biff Schlitzer, of "a difficult E90-1" fame. Biff pitched for Mack's A's in 1908 and 1909. Was traded to the Red Sox midway into 1909. Then he's back up with Buffalo of the Federal League in 1914. ML lifetime 10-15. My 1992 Sports Americana Baseball Card Alphabetical Checklist by Dr. Beckett only shows E90-1 for Schlitzer... no mention of T210. But the good Doctor doesn't list T210 for Casey Stengel, either. I'm just certain this is the same guy.


Yerkes may be Steve Yerkes, who played 2nd and short for the Red Sox, Pittsburg's federal team, and the Cubs. He played 1909, then 1911 - 1916. So 1910 in the Southern Association is plausable. When the Federal League players were absorbed the Cubs tried Yerkes at second, they'd lost Evers to Boston's Braves in 1914.


An excellent source for minor league records is Ray Nemec, 1424 Heatherton Drive, Naperville, IL 60563. Ray is a true gentleman. For a mere $2, he will mail you the record of a player. You can contact him by email, but he does business by real mail. Basebalray@aol.com

If you gather more info about that Chattanooga team, please copy me. Thanks. Frank.

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Posted By: daryle

for this info. The reason I'm interested in Chattanooga players is that I live like 30 minutes away. Matter of fact, I have drove to Chattanooga each of the last 3 days (mom was in hospital....shes home now.............doing OK). I used to go to several games a year back in the early 90s (Pokey Reese, Tim Costo, Wally Ritchie, etc, etc) Went to all but one of the "Jordan" games at hisoric Engel Stadium in '94. There was no place like Engel Stadium. You were like part of the game because you were so close to the action. I used to stand at the fence right at 1st base and could actually hear the coaches talking to the players on base and the players talking to each other during the game. I have a baseball (foul ball;-)) signed by th entire team from the 1994 season (players on the active roster on the date that it was auto'd) w/ all coaches, trainer, etc,etc. I actually asked one of the players that I had spoken to to take the ball with him into the dugout and into the clubhouse to get it signed by everyone and asked them to put their jersey number beside their auto......and they did. Neat item. Also managed to get a baseball signed by Jordan, but thats a different story of how I managed that as he would not hardly even look up as he left the field.

Anyway, thanks again for this info.

Daryle

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Pokey Reese... a character! I have pieces of one of his Lookouts uniforms, that sleeveless jersey vest, and I think the pants, too. I might dig it out and make a photo for you, if you really want to see it.

I've not seen a game there, but have driven down a few times. Stayed at the Choo Choo, took kids to see the fish, and the Imax.

Frank.

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Posted By: daryle

Sure, shoot me a photo of the uniform. Sadly, Engel Stadium is no longer used by the Lookouts (think high-school tournaments, etc,etc.. are played there now) The Lookouts moved into their new stadium a few years ago. Haven't been to a game there......yet.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Well in digging for the Pokey Reese uniform I've found Mr. Lipset's volume 2, so I'll work on a Colgans Chattanooga list.

Frank.

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Posted By: daryle

I rememebered that I had the Lipsets Books here also. Knew I had seen a detailed list of the T210s and the E254s somewhere. I was sitting here at my desk and just happened to look up at my books here and saw "The Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards" and thought "DUH!"........lol