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Old 01-01-2019, 12:00 PM
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Default 1989 Fleer Randy Johnson #381 Marlboro Errors - 30 Years Later

30 years ago today Fleer released their 1989 baseball product. Card #381 had multiple variations of the Marlboro ad being covered and some of those variations also contained what I believe to be a separate printing obstruction error as well. It appears that a rectangular shaped object(card stock?) obstructed part of the printing process and left a footprint that is located between his head and the word pitcher and runs parallel to the blue line. The rectangular discoloration almost appears to have some overspray around its perimeter. The printing error is on a pretty large percentage of cards that have green tinting and not on any of the cards with red tinting. Here we are 30 years later and this is another strange feature to the errors that I’ve never seen discussed.

Is this an obstruction printing defect? If so, during what part of the printing process did this take place?

We have about 800 scans of the cards done so I hope to be updating my Flickr page soon with all the images and also discuss some more details of the Marlboro variations.
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:55 PM
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I find it crazy how little these are discussed. It is the rookie card of a HOFer with multiple error versions. Like the Ripken from the same set I absolutely love all the Randy Johnson error versions and have horded them for many many years.

I personally hated Randy as a player, I collect them because of all the cool variations. I can't be the only one that hated him because IMHO these should sell for WAY more than they do.

Hatorade, When you get the site updated please post it on here with a link.
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Sorry for my ignorance on this topic, but I can't see the difference between the two images. Which one contains the obstruction you are referring to and what am I looking for?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Old 01-01-2019, 09:17 PM
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They are really fun cards to collect and rather affordable to do so. I heard about the errors around 10 years ago and thought it was really strange to not hear about a major 80's error until so much later and that such little was known about the cards 20 years after their release. They sure have flown under the radar a bit and maybe these two factors have contributed some to that.

I think its interesting that 2018 Topps cards have over 15 parallels with different colors, Fleer kind of did that with these cards 30 years ago and now this much later modern card companies are artificially recreating this for collectors. The Marlboro variations can almost be viewed as the much older predecessor to these modern variation cards, but with unknown production numbers for the specific variations.
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Old 01-01-2019, 09:34 PM
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Andy,

Sorry, both of those are examples of cards with the rectangle area from the obstruction on them. I uploaded 100 or so images onto my Flickr account before I realized that my remaining images were in pdf format and that I needed to have them as JPEG to upload. You can view multiple images of variations that either have or don't have the rectangle in the area left and above Randy's head there.


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Old 01-02-2019, 10:43 AM
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Wow. I thought I had all the versions already.
Now I have to go home and dig them out again.
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I admit I have several copies but the faint differences are such minutia compared to the mostly easily identifiable Ripken differences make the Ripken so much more fun in my mind.

I think many collectors just need one copy and are satiated, but end up with the Ripken in uncensored first and then end up with scribbles, black box, white outs and sawcuts rather quickly.

Interested in hearing you talk about it to perhaps bring me to a new train of thought. Please add more info as the big Randy collectors and now you and Bnorth.
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Andy,

Sorry, both of those are examples of cards with the rectangle area from the obstruction on them. I uploaded 100 or so images onto my Flickr account before I realized that my remaining images were in pdf format and that I needed to have them as JPEG to upload. You can view multiple images of variations that either have or don't have the rectangle in the area left and above Randy's head there.


https://flic.kr/s/aHsmccCSY8
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Are the slightly darker rectangular boxes that I've circled what you are talking about? Again, sorry for my ignorance here, I'm just trying to learn something new.

Thanks again,

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Old 01-03-2019, 08:14 PM
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Are the slightly darker rectangular boxes that I've circled what you are talking about? Again, sorry for my ignorance here, I'm just trying to learn something new.

Thanks again,

AndyH
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That is amazing

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Thanks! Someone on another site asked me to post more close up pictures of the card. I don't have a scanner but here are some more I took with my phone. The scratches near the lower right hand corner are on the case and not the card. Hopefully uploading doesn't compress the quality too much. Steve
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Will you have this card at the National in AC? I want to see it in person.
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Greg: I wasn't planning to attend the National this year. Honestly I haven't been to a card show since the late 80's so haven't really given it much thought. So the not-so-short answer is I'm not sure but probably not.
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Greg: I wasn't planning to attend the National this year. Honestly I haven't been to a card show since the late 80's so haven't really given it much thought. So the not-so-short answer is I'm not sure but probably not.

Think about it. I'm interested in seeing this
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Default Is this just the black box?

I’m trying to determine which version of the 89 fleer RJ error I have. It mostly looks like the black box I guess, however there are two little circles that I haven’t seen in other examples. Here are pictures and I tried to get clear and close. The circles look to be part of the print. What does anyone here think? Is this version worth anything?

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I’m trying to determine which version of the 89 fleer RJ error I have. It mostly looks like the black box I guess, however there are two little circles that I haven’t seen in other examples. Here are pictures and I tried to get clear and close. The circles look to be part of the print. What does anyone here think? Is this version worth anything?



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Looks like the corrected version

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I’m trying to determine which version of the 89 fleer RJ error I have. It mostly looks like the black box I guess, however there are two little circles that I haven’t seen in other examples. Here are pictures and I tried to get clear and close. The circles look to be part of the print. What does anyone here think? Is this version worth anything?

https://imgur.com/a/vZNyWMC

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It is the corrected version with 2 "fish eye" print spots/defects.

Cool print error card. When I was super collecting the 89 Fleer Johnson cards I would look for and buy cards like that.

As for value it is worth slightly less than a card without the print spots.
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It is the corrected version with 2 "fish eye" print spots/defects.

Cool print error card. When I was super collecting the 89 Fleer Johnson cards I would look for and buy cards like that.

As for value it is worth slightly less than a card without the print spots.
Thank you for the reply and estimation!
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I pulled one the other day out of a rack pack that was the blacked out version, but had a red print dot inside the black box.

A 1/1 from what I have seen!

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I pulled one the other day out of a rack pack that was the blacked out version, but had a red print dot inside the black box.

A 1/1 from what I have seen!
Post a picture. I have several hundred print flaws.

Yours could be a super dark red tint with the "bubble" spot showing up as red.
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I pulled one the other day out of a rack pack that was the blacked out version, but had a red print dot inside the black box.

A 1/1 from what I have seen!
Easy money! I wouldn’t take a penny under $1K for it.
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I still have one of these also. I will post a pic when I get home.

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This is a cool one. I think this is the same version.
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Yes, those are all examples of them. I have just one among all of my box variations. And what a weird way to “correct” or cover up the ad!
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This is a cool one. I think this is the same version.
I believe I pulled this version last night out of an early run box from a sealed case.

I will send pics when I get a chance.
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Still related to 1989 Fleer, but not as 'clear' as the RJ Marlboro here are a couple others that also have the sign in the backdrop or atleast a part of it.
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Still related to 1989 Fleer, but not as 'clear' as the RJ Marlboro here are a couple others that also have the sign in the backdrop or atleast a part of it.
Thanks for sharing - to the untrained eye, that looks to be the same background/ballpark in each card.
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