1963 topps 6th and 7th series

[BillP]

Been wonder on a couple of things related to these two series. First, the supposed sps in the 6th series..... and through this forum the dispelling of that may have already been solved. Second pricing. There was a time that the 6th series commons commanded a high amount and 7th was a bit below that. But lately, outside of the stars. That does t seem to hold up. Was there a find of these that made them more plentiful? I had also read that series 1 through 4 were produced in large quantities but 5 and then 6 and 7 lower amounts. Comments welcome. Thx

[Cliff Bowman]

I have always read that the 6th Series has a very slight premium over the 7th Series but I don't know if the actual quantities available prove that out.

[BillP]

Great stuff thx

[BearBailey]

I believe series 1-3 we produced in large quantities, series 4 and 5 significantly less and then series 6 and 7 even less with debate on if series 6 was printed less than series 7. Great set and those last 4 series can be difficult to find in high grade.

[BillP]

Good info.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by BearBailey

I believe series 1-3 we produced in large quantities, series 4 and 5 significantly less and then series 6 and 7 even less with debate on if series 6 was printed less than series 7. Great set and those last 4 series can be difficult to find in high grade.

We actually couldn't find any 1963 Topps cards beyond series 3 in my neck of the woods in London, Ontario at the time. London was of course O-Pee-Chee central. This was also the case for all the issues from 1962 to 1965 anyway. But I do remember that later series of the Topps 1961 cards were available at local stores.

I'm therefore wondering whether any Topps Baseball card collectors from anywhere else in Canada remember being able to get fourth series onward cards from 1962 to 1965 or later at their corner stores.

[Kevvyg1026]

As Cliff has shown via the posting of the 6th and 7th virtual sheets, there are no SPs in either series. Both were 66 card series, so each slit has 6 rows of 11 cards, printed 2x on the slit.

[BillP]

So dalkowski is on the bottom corner, similar to the 66 card 591. Can something be said for this spot of a sheet? Dalkowski certaining commands a higher price that others of similar 6th series commons.

[Balticfox]

If someone showed me a pile of pack fresh (or at least vending box fresh) commons from the sixth or seventh series of 1963 Topps, I'd be keen on getting a bunch.

[jmoran19]

Originally Posted by BillP

So dalkowski is on the bottom corner, similar to the 66 card 591. Can something be said for this spot of a sheet? Dalkowski certaining commands a higher price that others of similar 6th series commons.

Yes corner cards are very prone to being OC, same with edge cards but to a lesser degree

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by BillP

Been wonder on a couple of things related to these two series. First, the supposed sps in the 6th series.....

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I have always read that the 6th Series has a very slight premium over the 7th Series but I don't know if the actual quantities available prove that out.

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

As Cliff has shown via the posting of the 6th and 7th virtual sheets, there are no SPs in either series. Both were 66 card series, so each slit has 6 rows of 11 cards, printed 2x on the slit.

One detail though. There may still be some shortprints in the 6th series because the 6th series must have had another print run from a different sheet because there are two different coloured variants of the Checklist:



The one I have is like the second one above which raises a real mystery because no card from the 6th series card has an orange bottom! So how/where was the orange topped 6th Series Checklist printed?

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

As Cliff has shown via the posting of the 6th and 7th virtual sheets, there are no SPs in either series. Both were 66 card series, so each slit has 6 rows of 11 cards, printed 2x on the slit.

Not so! Looking at my Checklists, there are 77 cards in the 5th series, 77 cards in the 6th series and 70 cards in the 7th series. This means that the orange topped 6th Series Checklist could perhaps have been printed from a 5th series sheet.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

One detail though. There may still be some shortprints in the 6th series because the 6th series must have had another print run from a different sheet because there are two different coloured variants of the Checklist:

The one I have is like the second one above which raises a real mystery because no card from the 6th series card has an orange bottom! So how/where was the orange topped 6th Series Checklist printed?



Not so! Looking at my Checklists, there are 77 cards in the 5th series, 77 cards in the 6th series an 70 cards in the 7th series. This means that the orange topped 6th Series Checklist could perhaps have been printed from a 5th series sheet.

You have two things correct.

[Kevvyg1026]

The 1963 series 5 had 77 "unique" cards. However, it also had the 11 crop error cards pointed out by Lemke, so there were 88 cards, printed 3x each, in series 5.

The yellow/orange border checklist card was printed in the series 5 printing. So, yes, there are two variants of the checklist 6 card. One printed in series 5, one printed in series 6.

Summary:
Series 5 - 371 to 446, plus another version of 362 (checklist). A total of 77 cards. There are 33 Red border cards (11 green inset, 11 blue inset, 11 yellow inset), plus the 11 crop version cards. There are 22 yellow border cards (all red inset), and 22 green border cards (11 orange inset, 11 yellow inset).

Series 6 - There are 66 unique cards. Numbers: 447 - 511, plus check 6 printed again (431). There are 22 blue border (11 red inset, 11 orange inset), 22 red border (11 green inset, 11 yellow inset), and 22 yellow border cards (11 blue inset, 11 red inset).

Series 7 - There are 66 unique cards, Numbers: 512 - 576, plus another issue of check 7 (509). There are 22 Blue border cards (11 with red inset, 11 with orange), 22 red border cards (11 with green inset, 11 with yellow), and 22 yellow border cards (11 with blue inset, 11 with red)

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Series 5 - 371 to 446, plus another version of 362 (checklist). A total of 77 cards. There are 33 Red border cards (11 green inset, 11 blue inset, 11 yellow inset), plus the 11 crop version cards. There are 22 yellow border cards (all red inset), and 22 green border cards (11 orange inset, 11 yellow inset).

Series 6 - There are 66 unique cards. Numbers: 447 - 511, plus check 6 printed again (431).

Series 7 - There are 66 unique cards, Numbers: 512 - 576, plus another issue of check 7 (509).

What?! Are you taking those series numbers from the actual sheets then? Because those series numbers are NOT consistent with the official number tallying on the Checklists Topps issued for each series. Here's the numbering from each Checklist:

Series 1: 1-88
Series 2: 89-176
Series 3: 177-264
Series 4: 265-352
Series 5: 353-429
Series 6: 430-506
Series 7: 507-576

You're implying that the Series 4 sheet must have included cards from #265 to #370 because I know from buying packs in 1963 that Series 3 ended at #264.

[G1911]

In the 60’s, many Topps series were not actually aligned with the checklist cards and are different from what the checklists say. The sheets and stock differences tell us how cards were actually issued.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by G1911

In the 60’s, many Topps series were not actually aligned with the checklist cards and are different from what the checklists say.

You mean the good folk at Topps falsified an official document to deceive us young boys their loyal customers? Say it ain't so!

[Balticfox]

I also learned from my research that the #29 and #54 Rookie Stars cards were originally moislabelled/misprinted as "1962 Rookie Stars" instead of "1963 Rookie Stars". And then I found that the ones in my collection were the error cards labelled "1962". Now I need to replace them. Bummer!

[Balticfox]

So evidently there are two different 1963 Topps 2nd Series Checklists as well:



Was one of them printed on the 1st Series sheet?

Now of course I need to add two more Checklists, a yellow topped 2nd Series and a red topped 6th Series, to my 1963 Topps Baseball card collection. Are many/any of you other 1963 Topps Baseball card collectors content with just one of the Checklists for each series?

[G1911]

Checklists are usually DP’s. For example, the series 2 checklist would be included on the series 1 sheet, as a preview of the next series and to encourage kids to keep buying. That same checklist would also be included in series 2 packs.

This double printing results in variations of some kind on most 60’s Topps checklist cards.