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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
I always thought this was kind of strange, both Benny Bengough and Andy Pafko were comparable players, both minor stars in their time and card #1 in their respective sets. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: ItsOnlyGil
Peter: in what respects are Bengough and Pafko comparable (other than you do not have a clue about either of them)? |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Gil, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jim VB
Peter, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Jim, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
This #1 card in Ex/Mt to Near Mint condition should command a higher price than a 52T Pafko. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Now that you mention it, I've never seen a Nr.Mt. Benny Bengough #1, either. But I am thankful for the nice Bengough card I got in a trade with Steve M. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: howard
Why the rude response to Peter's question? So he didn't know that Bengough was a scrub player. Big deal. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Eric Brehm
Current SMR values for '33 Goudey Bengough and '52 Topps Pafko are: |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: JimB
With all due respect, the price of these cards has zero to do with the quality of the player. Peter's intiution is right in that respect. It all has to do with the cards being condition rarities in high grade. I would guess prices are a factor of populations in high grade vs. # of high grade set collectors of the respective sets. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Thanks for the scan, Eric. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jim VB
Peter, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Jim VB, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jim VB
Ted, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: JimCrandell
JimB is correct. Pafko could be a minor league player and the price would be the same. Its all about the pop in this the most popular post-war baseball set. Speaking of the price the SMR is off by a mile on the Pafko. The Pafko is PSA 8 would likely approach $100,000. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Sorry, Peter, but like most inhabitants of our planet I have my limits. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: cmoking
nice card Eric! |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: ralph
Howard, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
PS: Eric, beautiful card. It's amazing how beautiful a common card can be when you collect the set and appreciate how rare it is to see it in such a condition. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: howard
Jim, I'm sure you're intent was harmless and I guess it's not my business anyway. Besides, compared to past abuses hurled at Mr. Chao that was nuthin'. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Eric Brehm
Here are the PSA population figures for the two cards: |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: MikeU
"The Pafko is PSA 8 would likely approach $100,000." |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Fred C
Eric, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Bobby Binder
Grader: PSA |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Marc S.
You will be interested to know that the PSA 10 Pafko sold for $83,870 in a 1999 auction. That Pafko had been pulled from a pack (in the 90s) |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Eric Brehm
Bobby's data shows SMR to be in the ballpark for '33 Bengough but too low for '52 Pafko in the higher grades. Perhaps the latter card has developed a certain mystique about it that is driving up the price, even in grades where it isn't particularly scarce. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: cmoking
I have noticed that sets where the are a higher overall population in high grade will have a higher priced low-pop card than another set with a overall population in high grade. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Eric Brehm
King -- I think your observations are probably correct. I suspect that set collectors go after not only what they can afford, but what they can reasonably expect to find. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: joe
Peter, a Yankee and a catcher does not make him a star. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
KING |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: JimCrandell
Ted, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
King, I wish I would have read your post before I started collecting the 33 Goudeys....halfway through... |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks....I never hear much regarding Parnell; and, I feel he is just as tough as the Pafko in really fine shape. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Surely, people would consider both Foxx and Grove more desireable stars than Andy Pafko. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Pafko's card is also more expensive than Nolan Ryan's rookie card and he certainly can't hold a candle to Ryan. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen
I would question the supposition that the quality of the player is not a key factor in the worth of the cards being discussed. Yes, these cards are extremely high worth in spite of the less than hall of fame careers of the players. But wouldn't their worth be substantially greater if - for example - the Goudey #1 was one of the Ruths or Gehrigs, or if '52 Topps #1 was Mays? Wouldn't there be a compounding effect of several price multiples given the combination of interest in the set, card #1, AND star quality of the player? |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: JimB
The interesting question regarding the relavence of the quality of the player on these condition rarities would be the '52 Topps Mathews #407. I have not looked at the pop report on these in years, but I imagine it is still pretty low since I hardly ever seem them publically offered in nm/mt 8 or higherer. This is a card that is almost always seen off-centered for some reason. Anyway, it is the rookie card of one of the great star HOFs of the 50's and 60's; it is in the premier post-War set; and is a condition rarity. If the player were the primary factor in pricing, this card should go for 10x what a Pafko goes for. Jim C. could probably let us know the numbers and approximate value of this card in high grade, but I doubt it goes for a lot more than a Pafko. I know it does in lower grades, but I am talking about PSA 8s now. Maybe it sells for a little more, but I don't think it goes for much more. Maybe someone could let us know the relative pops of the Mathews and Pafko. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: cmoking
Ted wrote: |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: cmoking
I think the 1934 Goudey #1 Jimmy Foxx card is definitely priced higher because he's an elited HOFer. But one problem is that the image isn't unique, its the same image as his two 1933 Goudey cards. Thus collectors interested in Jimmy Foxx cards, but not set collectors, can opt for the 33 Goudey #29 or #154 card instead and save a few bucks. |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: peter chao
Cmoking, |
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'33 Benny Bengough vs. '52 Andy Pafko
Posted By: JimCrandell
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