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Old 07-05-2005, 04:46 PM
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Posted By: Scott

This may be a bit off-topic but wanted to get some opinions as to what people think are the best baseball books dealing with the vintage era we all discuss here with respect to our cards--which titles best bring to life the characters whose cards we spend all our money collecting?! Thanks in advance.

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Old 07-05-2005, 04:52 PM
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Posted By: Colt McClelland

Deadball Stars of the National League is a great one:

http://store.sabr.org/sabrstore.cfm?page=list.cfm&cat=0&man=&mem_ID=&afid=&criteria=2000&action=list&startrow=1&maxrows=10&

I believe the American League version is supposed to be coming in the near future - can anyone confirm this?

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Posted By: Zach

Glory of Their Times is a classic.

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Old 07-05-2005, 04:54 PM
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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

"Eight Men Out" by Eliot Asinof, "Slide, Kelly, Slide" by Marty Appel, and "Babe, the Legend Comes To Life" by Robert Creamer are all very good books.

I've picked up a few that are on my waiting list recently that I can't recall the names of, but one is about Rube Marquard and the other deals strictly with the 1903 Worlds Series.


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Posted By: Greg Ecklund

"The Pitch That Killed" by Mike Sowell is a fantastic book about the fatal beaning of Ray Chapman by Carl Mays; it continues after the beaning, however, and tells the rest of the story of the 1920 Indians team managed by Tris Speaker. One of Sowell's other books, "July 2, 1903" is about the death of Ed Delahanty and I would recommend that one as well.

The new book about Hal Chase called "The Black Prince of Baseball" is also worth picking up.

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Old 07-05-2005, 05:12 PM
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

More of a history book, but "The Beer and Whiskey League" by David Nemec is full of great pictures and great information. It is definately a must have for anyone interested in the American Association players and teams.
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Posted By: J Levine

The Celebrant is a great fiction work that revolves around Matty and the Giants. A beautifully written book.

If you like mysteries...Any of the books by Troy Soos...Murder and Wrigley an Murder at Fenway are great books.

If you want non-fiction pick up Dead Ball Stars of the National Leauge. Interesting if a little dry reading.

For a newer bent and also non-fiction I recommend The Storytellers (great stories from baseball broadcasters).

My two cents.

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Old 07-05-2005, 05:20 PM
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Posted By: will

"The Numbers Game" by Alan Schwarz.
A great history of statistics in baseball. Half way through and can't put it down. Might help with some of the other threads.

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Old 07-05-2005, 08:46 PM
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Posted By: Ray

"More Than Merkle" by David W. Anderson... follows the 1908 season, month by month.

"Eight Men Out" by Eliot Asinof

"The Black Prince of Baseball" by Dewey and Acocella... about Hal Chase

"Lardner on Baseball" by Jeff Silverman... a hardcover anthology of the writings of Ring Lardner.

"Guys, Dolls, and Curveballs: Damon Runyon on Baseball" by Jim Reisler... an anthology of the writings of Damon Runyon.

I highly recommend all 5, especially the last two!

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Posted By: Frank Evanov

"The Old Ball Game" by Frank Deford....about Matty and McGraw.

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Posted By: Scott Mosley

I will second the Hal Chase-Black Prince of Baseball recommendation and here is another for you:

Ed Delahanty in the Emerald Age of Baseball

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0268022852/qid=1120619600/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/103-5937697-4575862?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Easily the most enjoyable book that I have ever read.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Aa far as I know, Deadball Stars of the National League is sold out and there is currently no plans for another run. Deadball Stars of the American League is part of the 2006 SABR publish, so if you want to get this boook, you will need to join SABR by Oct 2005 in order to the 2006 books. Otherwise you run the risk of not getting this book.

http://sabr.org

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Old 07-06-2005, 08:57 AM
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

I highly recommend:

THE YEAR THEY CALLED OFF the WORLD SERIES (A true story of the 1904 Season)

by Benton Stark

Avery Publishing Group (Copyright 1991)

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Old 07-06-2005, 09:14 AM
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Posted By: Scott Forrest

My favorite book is a boxed set of two from the '50s that gives team bios of the original 16 teams, each bio by a different sports writer. No stats, just fun history that's easy to read and puts each team's past in perspective to the current '50s era: "The Book of Major League Baseball Clubs" by Fitzgerald.

Other great reads:
"The Glory of Their Times" (GET THE 5-CD SET!!!)
"The Red Sox Reader" by Riley
"Baseball in 41" by Creamer


For great history:
"Nineteenth Century Baseball" by Wright
"Baseball 1845-81" by Preston Orem
"The Biographical Encyclopedia of the Negro Baseball Leagues" by Riley
"The Negro Leagues Book" - SABR pub

and if you grew up in the '50s or '60s and collected cards, it's a sin not to own "The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum Book"

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

The Deadball Stars from The National League can be ordered at Amazon. Interestingly enough Amazon already has Deadball Stars from The American League ready to order. It has a release date of December 15, 2005.

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Posted By: Josh K.

I ordered one of the NL Deadball Stars books last night off the SABR link before I realized that it was for members only (I am not a member) - the order was processed and my card charged so I dont know what to make of it. I may be getting one, I may not.

The book is also available from amazon, but it is a softbound book rather than the limited ed. hardbound volume sold through sabr.

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

I thought the hardbound was sold out??? I also thought it was for members only.

Weird. Let us know if you get it Josh.

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Posted By: Josh K.

It very well may turn out that Ive just made a donation to SABR.

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Posted By: Andrew Parks

"Cobb:A Biography" by Al Stump

Fantastic book!

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

I would highly recommend the following books:

1. Cobb:A biography by Al Stump
2. Joe DiMaggio: A Hero's Life by Richard Ben Cramer

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

I just finished re-reading it. Follow it up with the Tommy Lee Jones movie "Cobb".

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

Stump's "Cobb: A Biography" is a MUST read. I've read it twice. I had to reread it after picking up all those Matty McIntyre photos. I also second his recommendation on Richard Ben Cramer's "Joe DiMaggio" book, which I've also read twice. Going over my bookshelf I found another good one, "Memories of a Ballplayer: Bill Werber and Baseball in the 1930's" is excellent. And I found the Marquard book - it's by Larry D. Mansch and it's titled "Rube Marquard: the life and times of a Baseball Hall of Famer".

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Posted By: Douglas D.

It appears that we need to create some sort of a library, in which known members can "check out" books. I imagine that some of these books are hard to find. Of course, condition is probably sensitive too, and shipping might cause problems. A shame these aren't available as files. THAT would be cool.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

"Hoopla!" (Black Sox, told in the first person by Buck Weaver) and "Bang the Drum Slowly" a very funny book...about a dying catcher.

Say it ain't so, Joe," and "Eight Men Out" are good, but Asinof's sequel, "Bleeding Between the Lines" about how Susskind tried ever which way but loose to get the rights to make a movie out of Asinof's book is great, for the additional conversations he had with players and gamblers--especially Abe Attell (DIRECT QUOTE:

" It was Cicotte begun the bl*w j*b (confessed) to the Grand Jury. I was in New York at the time, and believe me, A.R.* was doing the shakes (frightened) too. So we have this meeting at his place on Riverside Drive and the Big Mouthpiece is there. (William J.) Fallon, doncha know, and Sport Sullivan from Boston. And Fallon says to
us: "There's so much jabber in the rags (newspapers) about the dirty cereal(World Series), maybe this McCoyle (Maclay Hoyne, Cook County D.A.) is gonna extradite and I don't wanna see A.R. or you guys go to Chicago, I wanna see you guys skip town alla you, as far as you can
go"And A.R. says: "Here's a coupla bills to keep you loose. Champ, you go to Canada, and cover yourself up, and Sully, go to Mexico. Me,
I'm going all the way to Europe." So I grab the first train to Montreal like he says and like I know I'm a sucker to go 'cause A.R. is a worm of the top floor, even his best pals say he's so slimy he gives worms a bad rep, doncha know. So when I read in the rags up in Montreal that he didn't go to Europe at all, he crawled to Chicago
with the Mouthpiece and squealed to the Grand Jury
that he had nothing to do with the fix, he even told 'em that he didn't even bet on it, that it was ME who put the cereal in the bag..."

Asinof continues..."His pride and his pleasure were satisfied with his oft-repeated dictum: "Without me, pally, you wouldn't have a
book."

"I did not dissuade him of this slant, though a more accurate impression might be: "Without you, Champ, we wouldn't have had the scandal..."


*Arnold Rothstein

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