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Old 08-17-2014, 05:17 AM
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Default T210 Oddity?

This Brooks (New Orleans) has an upside-down Old Mill back. Sorry for the blurry front.
I've shared these scans with a couple T210 collectors by PM. I thought I'd post them here as well. I'd appreciate comments on rarity & how this would happen. It seems there would be a slew of these due to the error in the printing process.
I haven't talked price with the owner. Any ideas on value?
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It does't wow me the way some other errors do. And it's not in great condition.....I would give an auction estimate of 100-200......could be more or less though....
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I think it is pretty significant as it is not only a miscut but also has the wrong back as well! New Orleans is in Series 8 and the back while upside down is a series 3 ( unless my eyes age playing tricks on me). I have seen this same error a few times (only with series 8 cards... Maybe an early print run using left over series 3 backs or a scrap of some sort? It reminds me of the Dockman cards w/ the Menagerie Gum (animals) back, it gives us insight into the printing process. As to value it could be all over the place but if I were going after the T210 set I'd pay $200-300 for it just as a "go-along" item for my set.
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That card is rare and odd! There is only 1 other known Series 8 card with a series 3 reverse. (Pepe-Montgomery) Rhett's memory is spot on, as I believe Dan owns/owned the Series 2 Lovell card with series 4 reverse. Those are the only two I have ever seen in 15+ years of collecting these T210's besides the Orange Border Series 3 printing anomalies. The Brooks would make three! I would estimate the card to be more in the $300+ range despite the condition due to rarity. The Pepe sold for $500+ several years ago.
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Very cool cards shown
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I'll bid that bad boy up all day.
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looks like you have a rare scrap there....dan m has the om sideways mc....

that will be a big card...id have to see it....but card appears to "taper"....measure the dimensions if you can for inconsistency.....


if you can get that between $500- $1000 I think you did well...

but the market will have to stay strong on this series

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The taper may be due to the angle of my photo. I was trying to avoid glare. I ended up with blur instead.
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may not be scrap, but def. rare! dan McKee would give you a little more accurate $ amount on this...

id still stick between $500 and $700 if not scrap.....wrong back.....upside down.....miscut...

if this was a T206, it would be like hitting a mini lottery......
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may not be scrap, but def. rare! dan McKee would give you a little more accurate $ amount on this...

id still stick between $500 and $700 if not scrap.....wrong back.....upside down.....miscut...

if this was a T206, it would be like hitting a mini lottery......

I suspect the T206 goes for more money because there are more T206 collectors !? It can't be that T206 is more rare than T210... With all the scrap, blank, and miscut backs found in T206, one would think that a card where there is only 3 known to exist, would demand much more?

So, let me ask the T206 guys this... Do we have many documented T206 players that are found only in Piedmont 150, but an example of the same player exist in Piedmont 350? (May be a bad example, but I want to ascertain the rarity of a T206 with the wrong series back. This one has the wrong series and being the 2nd card from series 8 found with a series 3 back, it has to be a part of the "wrong sheet" printing effects or scrap as you said...
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I'd pay well above 100-200 I would say that's on the lower side....I'd be a buyer well above $500 or even more. It's quite scarce and a neat little item congrats.

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Old 08-18-2014, 04:43 AM
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Default Jeremy.....

you are absolutely correct.....t210 has just not been recognized yet....or may never get the respect T206 get....this card is of the "scrap" order, just can't determine it by the scan/ needs measurements....as you said, this is a very rare card, just there aren't enuf t210 collectors out there....

I'm not an expert on T210, but I believe my estimate falls within the "range" of such an error! and the market out there on these...

if this were a T206, this could be a 20 k + card easy I believe....

(wrong back/ uppy/ miscut) scrap??

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I suspect the T206 goes for more money because there are more T206 collectors !? It can't be that T206 is more rare than T210... With all the scrap, blank, and miscut backs found in T206, one would think that a card where there is only 3 known to exist, would demand much more?

So, let me ask the T206 guys this... Do we have many documented T206 players that are found only in Piedmont 150, but an example of the same player exist in Piedmont 350? (May be a bad example, but I want to ascertain the rarity of a T206 with the wrong series back. This one has the wrong series and being the 2nd card from series 8 found with a series 3 back, it has to be a part of the "wrong sheet" printing effects or scrap as you said...
Yes, T206 major errors go for more because there's more demand.

And I believe the answer to both the second and third questions is YES! Schulte front view was a 150 only until a couple years ago when a single Piedmont 350 was found.
I'd posted a thread about the possibility of wrong backs in T206 not much before it was discovered.
I Consider it to be a wrong back. There should be others, I occasionally look for cards with differences between series where there might be a front that's usually a 150 but with a 350 back. Or 350 with 350/460.

If someone is tracking errors on T210, they can add this one.



Not a great scan, but roughly half of the glosscoat didn't get printed.

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Old 08-18-2014, 09:27 AM
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as for the Schulte + 1....but not sure if it fits into the short printed piedy 350's catagory???....lundgren, lindy, ewing....ect...ect....
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I haven't checked them all, Lundgren might be. Lindaman and Ewing both come with EP , so probably just massively shortprinted.

But they might be. That still needs study to find a 150/350 difference. If there isn't one it becomes a question of carryover vs wrong back. Which is a topic for another thread. We've already strayed too far.


To get back on track, any other T210 oddities? Another missing gloss?

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I have a decent little group of two name t210 cards from a few Series. More of a miscut than an error but im up to about 9 different cards. Some same names some two different names.
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FYI...The auction ended last night.
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That is a great example. Nice to see a strong price too.
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Thought that I would point out that Dan does still appear to own the Lovell as it is currently on Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-T210-To...item5661781e34


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That card is rare and odd! There is only 1 other known Series 8 card with a series 3 reverse. (Pepe-Montgomery) Rhett's memory is spot on, as I believe Dan owns/owned the Series 2 Lovell card with series 4 reverse. Those are the only two I have ever seen in 15+ years of collecting these T210's besides the Orange Border Series 3 printing anomalies. The Brooks would make three! I would estimate the card to be more in the $300+ range despite the condition due to rarity. The Pepe sold for $500+ several years ago.
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Dan's card is sweet. It's a $1K card on the high side (not $15K). I believe I will make him an offer... I am sure he will take it based of all the market data on the 2 sales of the Pepe & Brooks.
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Congrats to however won the Brooks Miscut. I totally missed it or it probably would have hit 900/1000. Im a buyer at that mark if the owner sees this post and wants a quick flip!

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I hate to brag, but I always seem to come close to auction estimates....


this is making me want another T206 scrap
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I hate to brag, but I always seem to come close to auction estimates....


this is making me want another T206 scrap

Ha ha ! I am sure the other's estimating were low balling and put a bid in!

When I looked at everyone's estimates, they were all actually right. Notice the fine print. (+, "higher or lower", etc.)
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My first guess was way low but I was actually just getting the ball rolling. I think it would have gone for more in a vintage-centric auction too.
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Amazing, miscut wrong backs here too! : - )
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Johnny here you go

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