So what is really considered having the complete set? T-206

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Posted By: Felicia

Excuse my ignorance and please don't bash for asking, I have been reading these boards for awhile now and I love the T-206's.
Here is my question:
I have seen that not only are there various cards of each player there are also various backs of each card.
Is a complete set (excluding big 3) considered complete when you have 1 of each card no matter the back?
Has anyone tried to complete the set with each variation of the different backs or is that just impossible.

With the economy the way it is and seeing some of these cards come down in price, I am considering starting to put this entire set together in a 3-5 condition (with some exceptions)(big 3 excluded).
I appreciate any insight you could give me.

Thanks

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Posted By: barrysloate

It's a good question, and no one will bash you.

Most collectors consider having one of each of the 520 cards a complete set. Most will not be able to collect every front/back combination, but will instead include a sample of each back with their set.

Of course some collectors have obtained all 523 (even 524), but that is beyond most budgets. And there are a few on this board who do try to collect all the front/back combinations, but most of them started this project many years ago when these cards were more accessible and a lot more affordable. Starting a master set today would be a daunting task.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

A T206 set comprising 520 cards for most collectors is considered "complete", for all practical purposes.

Most will rationalize that the Magie card is uneeded, since this same card (Magee portrait) is very available.
Why spend 1000's of $$$$ for a minor error, when you can buy several 100's of T206's for that expenditure.

The Joe Doyle error is impossible to find....and, when available, it's cost is prohibitive.

A well printed repro of Plank and Wagner is always an acceptable option.

So, I encourage you to embark on the interesting adventure of putting together a 520-card T206 set....you
will enjoy the journey.

But, the secret to doing it, is patience....lots and lots of patience.

Welcome aboard,

TED Z

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Posted By: Felicia

I really appreciate the insight, as I navigate thru this journey I will make mistakes, I am sure.
I hope with the knowledge on these boards, I can minimize those.
Ted thanks for pointing out some of the cards I need to be aware of.
Barry thanks for the response and getting me on track.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Ted, Barry, etc - are any of you aware of any collectors out there trying to complete a true master set with all front/back combinations? Obviously, this may be near impossible considering the the fact you would need 2 Wagners, 2 Planks, not to mention countless rare backs, etc?

Also, assuming for the moment that one was to pursue a true master set... what exactly would you define as a true master set? I see the argument that each front/back combination would comprise a master set but wouldn't that discount factory number/state variations within each front/back combination?

So, would a true master set be each card with every state/district/factory code AND back combination?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jon- I know of two but it's not right to post names on the board. Ted in fact has embarked on one of the more interesting T206 quests, completing sets all with one back: Sovereign, Sweet Cap, and Piedmont (less the big 4). But I will let him elaborate.

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Posted By: David Moriarty

I agree that most people will consider a complete set to be 520 cards, but I took Ted's reasoning on the Magie/Magee card a little further. My set will be complete at 517 as I am not going to include the O'Hara, Demmitt and Elberfeld cards just because of the team change. I can't see spending $1,000 + for a card because it has a different team on it when the same, and more common, card is available with a different team on it. The one good thing about these cards is you can collect them in a lot of different ways.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...won't even attempt a T206 set because they don't want to be stuck at 520 when there are 4 more out there that are truly difficult, if not impossible, to acquire. But, as you can see, most people who attempt T206 are content with something near 520, based on any number of rationale explanations.

Over the course of 10 years of collecting T206, I got to 520 and then sold off most of my collection to fund the purchase of a Plank and Magie in 2007. And now I have begun a slower and more deliberate climb. I held on to my Demmitt and O'Hara as well, so (forever?) putting aside Wagner and Doyle, I feel that 522 is attainable, with patience and naturally fundage.

Not counting autographed T206 cards (a side project of mine), my "set" of T206 cards now stands at a whopping 35 subjects! Obviously, I have a long way to go.



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Posted By: Felicia

David,
Excuse my lack of knowledge, but the 3 cards(O'Hara, Demmitt and Elberfeld) you refer to as "team changes" what is the more common card and which is the more expensive "team"?
Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: Anthony S.

Elberfeld (portrait, NY) --- common
Elberfeld (portrait, Washington) --- scarcer variation

With both Demmitt and O'Hara, the St. Louis team designation is much scarcer than the NY designation

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

These are the 4 cards that have identical duplicated pictures that reflect team changes......

Common price................Expensive variation

Dahlen (Boston) >>>>>>> Dahlen (Brooklyn)

Demmitt (NY) >>>>>>>>> Demmitt (St Louis)

Elberfeld (NY) >>>>>>>>> Elberfeld (Washington)

O'Hara NY) >>>>>>>>>>> O'Hara (St Louis)


TED Z

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Posted By: T206Collector

Read all about the Demmitt and O'Hara variations here:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1174351668/Of+Demmitt+and+O%27Hara....St+Louis+Variations.




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Posted By: davidcycleback

With card collecting you often hear the terms complete set and masters set. The master set includes all the variations and errors as is applied when collecting modern sets, like 1981 Fleer. So, with T206s, the complete set would be all the different card fronts, and the masters set would have all the variations and combinations. No one has completed a masters T206 set, or probably come close. For many modern sets, the masters set can be a challenge but doable.

When you see near T206 near sets and complete sets in the big auctions, like Mastro and REA, there will be a variety of ad backs per set. The completeness of the complete set is judged by the card fronts.

So Felicia's initial definition of a complete is the same as with the hobby's. And for those perfectionists amongst us who think, no, a set must have all variations and combinations, there is hobby word for what you want: a masters set.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Ted- you left out Lundgren, G. Brown, Smith, among others, as cards with team changes but identical pictures. In each case there is a scarce and common pose.

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Posted By: Felicia

Thank you all for your patience and for explaining this to me.

Ted I emailed you about some cards if you did not get my email let me know.
My email may have gone into your spam folder.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Received your email and replied.

TED Z

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Posted By: Craig W

T-REX TED

I thot you determined that all the 213-1's were also needed to make a truly complete T206 set?!? Just stirring the pot a bit, my friend Just sent you an email regarding Polar Bears.


FELICIA

Email sent regarding T206's.

You may also want to download Scot Reader's great work "Inside T206, 3rd Edition". It is a free pdf d/l at T206 Museum:

http://www.t206museum.com/page/tools.html

Best Regards,
Craig

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I think the Elberfeld has some subtle differences that go beyond a mere changed team but that is for another thread.

As for a set, I have to think anything 518 cards or more is complete, although technically speaking the number would be less as all the variations would be part of a "master set" in the current parlance. If you eliminate changed teamsor captions, what is the basic set count? It has to be closer to 500 than 520.

Think about it- a set of Topps cards from 1958 is considered complete without the "Herrer' error or some of the other variations factored in. Collect all the variations and it is a master set. Collect one of each number or subject and it is complete without the variations.

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Posted By: ChiSoxFan

Here is what Oldcardboard.com has for a checklist:

(1)Ed Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves)
(2)Ed Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves)
(3)Fred Abbott
(4)Bill Abstein
(5)Doc Adkins
(6)Whitey Alperman
(7)Red Ames (Hands At Chest)
(8)Red Ames (Hands Above Head)
(9)Red Ames (Portrait)
(10)John Anderson
(11)Frank Arellanes
(12)Herman Armbruster
(13)Harry Arndt
(14)Jake Atz
(15)Home Run Baker
(16)Neal Ball (New York)
(17)Neal Ball (Cleveland)
(18)Jap Barbeau
(19)Cy Barger
(20)Jack Barry (Philadelphia)
(21)Shad Barry (Milwaukee)
(22)Jack Bastian
(23)Emil Batch
(24)Johnny Bates
(25)Harry Bay
(26)Ginger Beaumont
(27)Fred Beck
(28)Beals Becker
(29)Jake Beckley
(30)George Bell (Hands Above Head)
(31)George Bell (Pitching Follow Thru)
(32)Chief Bender (Pitching No Trees In Background)
(33)Chief Bender (Pitching Trees In Background)
(34)Chief Bender (Portrait)
(35)Bill Bergen (Batting)
(36)Bill Bergen (Catching)
(37)Heinie Berger
(38)Bill Bernhard
(39)Bob Bescher (Hands In Air)
(40)Bob Bescher (Portrait)
(41)Joe Birmingham
(42)Lena Blackburne
(43)Jack Bliss
(44)Frank Bowerman
(45)Bill Bradley (Portrait)
(46)Bill Bradley (With Bat)
(47)Dave Brain
(48)Kitty Bransfield
(49)Roy Brashear
(50)Ted Breitenstein
(51)Roger Bresnahan (Portrait)
(52)Roger Bresnahan (With Bat)
(53)Al Bridwell (Portrait No Cap)
(54)Al Bridwell (Portrait With Cap)
(55)*George Brown (Browne) (Chicago)
(56)Mordecai Brown (Chicago On Shirt)
(57)Mordecai Brown (Cubs On Shirt)
(58)Mordecai Brown (Portrait)
(59)Al Burch (Batting)
(60)Al Burch (Fielding)
(61)Fred Burchell
(62)Jimmy Burke
(63)Bill Burns
(64)Donie Bush
(65)John Butler
(66)Bobby Byrne
(67)Howie Camnitz (Arm At Side)
(68)Howie Camnitz (Arms Folded)
(69)Howie Camnitz (Hands Above Head)
(70)Billy Campbell
(71)Scoops Carey
(72)Charley Carr
(73)Bill Carrigan
(74)Doc Casey
(75)Peter Cassidy
(76)Frank Chance (Batting)
(77)Frank Chance (Portrait Red Background)
(78)Frank Chance (Portrait Yellow Background)
(79)Bill Chappelle
(80)Chappie Charles
(81)Hal Chase (Holding Trophy)
(82)Hal Chase (Portrait Blue Background)
(83)Hal Chase (Portrait Pink Background)
(84)Hal Chase (Throwing Dark Cap)
(85)Hal Chase (Throwing White Cap)
(86)Jack Chesbro
(87)Ed Cicotte
(88)Bill Clancy (Clancey)
(89)Josh Clark (Columbus) (Clarke)
(90)Fred Clarke (Pittsburgh Holding Bat)
(91)Fred Clarke (Pittsburgh Portrait)
(92)J.J. Clarke (Cleveland)
(93)Bill Clymer
(94)Ty Cobb (Portrait Green Background)
(95)*Ty Cobb (Portrait Red Background)
(96)Ty Cobb (Bat Off Shoulder)
(97)Ty Cobb (Bat On Shoulder)
(98)Cad Coles
(99)Eddie Collins (Philadelphia)
(100)Jimmy Collins (Minneapolis)
(101)Bunk Congalton
(102)Wid Conroy (Fielding)
(103)Wid Conroy (With Bat)
(104)Harry Covaleski (Coveleski)
(105)Doc Crandall (Portrait No Cap)
(106)Doc Crandall (Portrait With Cap)
(107)Bill Cranston
(108)Gavvy Cravath
(109)Sam Crawford (Throwing)
(110)Sam Crawford (With Bat)
(111)Birdie Cree
(112)Lou Criger
(113)Dode Criss
(114)Monte Cross
(115)*Bill Dahlen (Boston)
(116)Paul Davidson
(117)George Davis (Chicago)
(118)Harry Davis (Philadelphia Davis On Front)
(119)Harry Davis (Philadelphia H. Davis On Front)
(120)Frank Delehanty (Louisville)
(121)Jim Delehanty (Washington)
(122)*Ray Demmitt (New York)
(123)Rube Dessau
(124)Art Devlin
(125)Josh Devore
(126)Bill Dineen (Dinneen)
(127)Mike Donlin (Fielding)
(128)Mike Donlin (Seated)
(129)Mike Donlin (With Bat)
(130)Jiggs Donohue (Donahue)
(131)Wild Bill Donovan (Portrait)
(132)Wild Bill Donovan (Throwing)
(133)Red Dooin
(134)Mickey Doolan (Batting)
(135)Mickey Doolan (Fielding)
(136)Mickey Doolin (Doolan)
(137)Gus Dorner
(138)Patsy Dougherty (Arm In Air)
(139)Patsy Dougherty (Portrait)
(140)Tom Downey (Batting)
(141)Tom Downey (Fielding)
(142)Jerry Downs
(143)*Joe Doyle (NY Nat'l Hands Above Head)
(144)Larry Doyle (Portrait)
(145)Larry Doyle (Throwing)
(146)Larry Doyle (With Bat)
(147)Jean Dubuc
(148)Hugh Duffy
(149)Jack Dunn (Baltimore)
(150)Joe Dunn (Brooklyn)
(151)Bull Durham
(152)Jimmy Dygert
(153)Ted Easterly
(154)Dick Egan
(155)*Kid Elberfeld (New York)
(156)Kid Elberfeld (Washington) (Fielding)
(157)Roy Ellam
(158)Clyde Engle
(159)Steve Evans
(160)Johnny Evers (Portrait)
(161)Johnny Evers (With Bat Chicago On Shirt)
(162)Johnny Evers (With Bat Cubs On Shirt)
(163)Bob Ewing
(164)Cecil Ferguson
(165)Hobe Ferris
(166)Lou Fiene (Portrait)
(167)Lou Fiene (Throwing)
(168)Steamer Flanagan
(169)Art Fletcher
(170)Elmer Flick
(171)Russ Ford
(172)Ed Foster
(173)Jerry Freeman
(174)John Frill
(175)Charlie Fritz
(176)Art Fromme
(177)Chick Gandil
(178)Bob Ganley
(179)John Ganzel
(180)Harry Gasper
(181)Rube Geyer
(182)George Gibson
(183)Billy Gilbert
(184)Wilbur Goode (Good)
(185)Bill Graham (St. Louis)
(186)Peaches Graham (Boston)
(187)Dolly Gray
(188)Ed Greminger
(189)Clark Griffith (Batting)
(190)Clark Griffith (Portrait)
(191)Moose Grimshaw
(192)Bob Groom
(193)Tom Guiheen
(194)Ed Hahn
(195)Bob Hall
(196)Bill Hallman
(197)Jack Hannifan (Hannifin)
(198)Bill Hart (Little Rock)
(199)Jimmy Hart (Montgomery)
(200)Topsy Hartsel
(201)Jack Hayden
(202)J. Ross Helm
(203)Charlie Hemphill
(204)Buck Herzog (Boston)
(205)Buck Herzog (New York)
(206)Gordon Hickman
(207)Bill Hinchman (Cleveland)
(208)Harry Hinchman (Toledo)
(209)Dick Hoblitzell
(210)Danny Hoffman (St Louis)
(211)Izzy Hoffman (Providence)
(212)Solly Hofman
(213)Bock Hooker
(214)Del Howard (Chicago)
(215)Ernie Howard (Savannah)
(216)Harry Howell (Hand At Waist)
(217)Harry Howell (Portrait)
(218)Miller Huggins (Hand At Mouth)
(219)Miller Huggins (Portrait)
(220)Rudy Hulswitt
(221)John Hummel
(222)George Hunter
(223)Frank Isbell
(224)Fred Jacklitsch
(225)Jimmy Jackson
(226)Hughie Jennings (One Hand Showing)
(227)Hughie Jennings (Both Hands Showing)
(228)Hughie Jennings (Portrait)
(229)Walter Johnson (Pitching)
(230)Walter Johnson (Portrait)
(231)Fielder Jones (Chicago) (Hands At Hip)
(232)Fielder Jones (Chicago) (Portrait)
(233)Davy Jones (Detroit)
(234)Tom Jones (St Louis)
(235)Dutch Jordan (Atlanta)
(236)Tim Jordan (Brooklyn) (Batting)
(237)Tim Jordan (Brooklyn) (Portrait)
(238)Addie Joss (Pitching)
(239)Addie Joss (Portrait)
(240)Ed Karger
(241)Willie Keeler (Portrait)
(242)Willie Keeler (Batting)
(243)Joe Kelley
(244)J.F. Kiernan
(245)Ed Killian (Pitching)
(246)Ed Killian (Portrait)
(247)Frank King
(248)Rube Kisinger (Kissinger)
(249)*Red Kleinow (Boston)
(250)Red Kleinow (New York) (With Bat)
(251)Johnny Kling
(252)Otto Knabe
(253)Jack Knight (Portrait)
(254)Jack Knight (With Bat)
(255)Ed Konetchy (Glove Above Head)
(256)Ed Konetchy (Glove Near Ground)
(257)Harry Krause (Pitching)
(258)Harry Krause (Portrait)
(259)Rube Kroh
(260)Otto Kruger (Krueger)
(261)James Lafitte
(262)Nap Lajoie (Portrait)
(263)Nap Lajoie (Throwing)
(264)Nap Lajoie (With Bat)
(265)Joe Lake (New York)
(266)Joe Lake (New York)
(267)Joe Lake (St. Louis) (No Ball In Hand)
(268)Frank LaPorte
(269)Arlie Latham
(270)Bill Lattimore
(271)Jimmy Lavender
(272)Tommy Leach (Bending Over)
(273)Tommy Leach (Portrait)
(274)Lefty Leifield (Batting)
(275)Lefty Leifield (Pitching)
(276)Ed Lennox
(277)Harry Lentz (Sentz)
(278)Glenn Liebhardt
(279)Vive Lindaman
(280)Perry Lipe
(281)Paddy Livingstone (Livingston)
(282)Hans Lobert
(283)Harry Lord
(284)Harry Lumley
(285)*Carl Lundgren (Chicago)
(286)Nick Maddox
(287)*Sherry Magie (Magee)
(288)Sherry Magee (With Bat)
(289)Bill Malarkey
(290)Billy Maloney
(291)George Manion
(292)Rube Manning (Batting)
(293)Rube Manning (Pitching)
(294)Rube Marquard (Hands At Thighs)
(295)Rube Marquard (Pitching Follow Through)
(296)Rube Marquard (Portrait)
(297)Doc Marshall
(298)Christy Mathewson (Dark Cap)
(299)Christy Mathewson (Portrait)
(300)Christy Mathewson (White Cap)
(301)Al Mattern
(302)John McAleese
(303)George McBride
(304)Pat McCauley
(305)Moose McCormick
(306)Pryor McElveen
(307)Dan McGann
(308)Jim McGinley
(309)Iron Man McGinnity
(310)Stoney McGlynn
(311)John McGraw (Finger In Air)
(312)John McGraw (Glove At Hip)
(313)John McGraw (Portrait No Cap)
(314)John McGraw (Portrait With Cap)
(315)Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn)
(316)Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
(317)Matty McIntyre (Detriot)
(318)Larry McLean
(319)George McQuillan (Ball In Hand)
(320)George McQuillan (With Bat)
(321)Fred Merkle (Portrait)
(322)Fred Merkle (Throwing)
(323)George Merritt
(324)Chief Meyers
(325)Clyde Milan
(326)Dots Miller (Pittsburgh)
(327)Molly Miller (Dallas)
(328)Bill Milligan
(329)Fred Mitchell (Toronto)
(330)Mike Mitchell (Cincinnati)
(331)Dan Moeller
(332)Carlton Molesworth
(333)Herbie Moran (Providence)
(334)Pat Moran (Chicago)
(335)George Moriarty
(336)Mike Mowrey
(337)Dom Mullaney
(338)George Mullen (Mullin)
(339)George Mullin (Throwing)
(340)George Mullin (With Bat)
(341)Danny Murphy (Batting)
(342)Danny Murphy (Throwing)
(343)Red Murray (Batting)
(344)Red Murray (Portrait)
(345)Chief Myers (Meyers) (Batting)
(346)Chief Myers (Meyers) (Fielding)
(347)Billy Nattress
(348)Tom Needham
(349)Simon Nicholls (Hands On Knees)
(350)Simon Nichols (Nicholls) (Batting)
(351)Harry Niles
(352)Rebel Oakes
(353)Frank Oberlin
(354)Peter O'Brien
(355)*Bill O'Hara (New York)
(356)Rube Oldring (Batting)
(357)Rube Oldring (Fielding)
(358)Charles O'Leary (Hands On Knees)
(359)Charles O'Leary (Portrait)
(360)William O'Neal
(361)Al Orth
(362)William Otey
(363)Orval Overall (Hand Face Level)
(364)Orval Overall (Hands At Waist Level)
(365)Orval Overall (Portrait)
(366)Frank Owen
(367)George Paige
(368)Fred Parent
(369)Dode Paskert
(370)Jim Pastorius
(371)Harry Pattee
(372)Billy Payne
(373)Barney Pelty (Horizontal Photo)
(374)Barney Pelty (Vertical Photo)
(375)Hub Perdue
(376)George Perring
(377)Arch Persons
(378)Francis Pfeffer
(379)Jake Pfeister (Pfiester) (Seated)
(380)Jake Pfeister (Pfiester) (Throwing)
(381)Jimmy Phelan
(382)Eddie Phelps
(383)Deacon Phillippe
(384)Ollie Pickering
(385)Eddie Plank
(386)Phil Poland
(387)Jack Powell
(388)Mike Powers
(389)Billy Purtell
(390)Ambrose Puttman (Puttmann)
(391)Lee Quillen (Quillin)
(392)Jack Quinn
(393)Newt Randall
(394)Bugs Raymond
(395)Ed Reagan
(396)Ed Reulbach (Glove Showing)
(397)Ed Reulbach (No Glove Showing)
(398)Dutch Revelle
(399)Bob Rhoades (Rhoads) (Hand At Chest)
(400)Bob Rhoades (Rhoads) (Right Arm Extended)
(401)Charlie Rhodes
(402)Claude Ritchey
(403)Lou Ritter
(404)Ike Rockenfeld
(405)Claude Rossman
(406)Nap Rucker (Portrait)
(407)Nap Rucker (Throwing)
(408)Dick Rudolph
(409)Ray Ryan
(410)Germany Schaefer (Detroit)
(411)Germany Schaefer (Washington)
(412)George Schirm
(413)Larry Schlafly
(414)Admiral Schlei (Batting)
(415)Admiral Schlei (Catching)
(416)Admiral Schlei (Portrait)
(417)Boss Schmidt (Portrait)
(418)Boss Schmidt (Throwing)
(419)Ossee Schreck (Schreckengost)
(420)Wildfire Schulte (Front View)
(421)Wildfire Schulte (Back View)
(422)Jim Scott
(423)Charles Seitz
(424)Cy Seymour (Batting)
(425)Cy Seymour (Portrait)
(426)Cy Seymour (Throwing)
(427)Spike Shannon
(428)Bud Sharpe
(429)Shag Shaughnessy
(430)Al Shaw (St Louis)
(431)Hunky Shaw (Providence)
(432)Jimmy Sheckard (Glove Showing)
(433)Jimmy Sheckard (No Glove Showing)
(434)Bill Shipke
(435)Jimmy Slagle
(436)Carlos Smith (Shreveport)
(437)Frank Smith (Chicago F. Smith On Front)
(438)*Frank Smith (Chicago White Cap)
(439)Happy Smith (Brooklyn)
(440)Heinie Smith (Buffalo)
(441)Sid Smith (Atlanta)
(442)Fred Snodgrass (Batting)
(443)Fred Snodgrass (Catching)
(444)Bob Spade
(445)Tris Speaker
(446)Tubby Spencer
(447)Jake Stahl (Glove Shows)
(448)Jake Stahl (No Glove Shows)
(449)Oscar Stanage
(450)Dolly Stark
(451)Charlie Starr
(452)Harry Steinfeldt (Portrait)
(453)Harry Steinfeldt (With Bat)
(454)Jim Stephens
(455)George Stone
(456)George Stovall (Batting)
(457)George Stovall (Portrait)
(458)Sam Strang
(459)Gabby Street (Catching)
(460)Gabby Street (Portrait)
(461)Billy Sullivan
(462)Ed Summers
(463)Bill Sweeney (Boston)
(464)Jeff Sweeney (New York)
(465)Jesse Tannehill (Washington)
(466)Lee Tannehill (Chicago L. Tannehill On Front)
(467)Lee Tannehill (Chicago Tannehill On Front)
(468)Dummy Taylor
(469)Fred Tenney
(470)Tony Thebo
(471)Jake Thielman
(472)Ira Thomas
(473)Woodie Thornton
(474)Joe Tinker (Bat Off Shoulder)
(475)Joe Tinker (Bat On Shoulder)
(476)Joe Tinker (Hands On Knees)
(477)Joe Tinker (Portrait)
(478)John Titus
(479)Terry Turner
(480)Bob Unglaub
(481)Juan Violat (Viola)
(482)Rube Waddell (Portrait)
(483)Rube Waddell (Throwing)
(484)Heinie Wagner (Bat On Left Shoulder)
(485)Heinie Wagner (Bat On Right Shoulder)
(486)Honus Wagner
(487)Bobby Wallace
(488)Ed Walsh
(489)Jack Warhop
(490)Jake Weimer
(491)James Westlake
(492)Zack Wheat
(493)Doc White (Chicago Pitching)
(494)Doc White (Chicago Portrait)
(495)Foley White (Houston)
(496)Jack White (Buffalo)
(497)Kaiser Wilhelm (Hands At Chest)
(498)Kaiser Wilhelm (With Bat)
(499)Ed Willett
(500)Ed Willetts (Willett)
(501)Jimmy Williams
(502)Vic Willis (Pittsburg)
(503)Vic Willis (Throwing)
(504)Vic Willis (With Bat)
(505)Owen Wilson
(506)Hooks Wiltse (Pitching)
(507)Hooks Wiltse (Portrait No Cap)
(508)Hooks Wiltse (Portrait With Cap)
(509)Lucky Wright
(510)Cy Young (Cleveland) (Glove Shows)
(511)Cy Young (Cleveland) (Bare Hand Shows)
(512)Cy Young (Cleveland) (Portrait)
(513)Irv Young (Minneapolis)
(514)Heinie Zimmerman

The asterisks (*) after the card numbers identify the eleven cards in the set considered to have variations (mostly due to labeling for team changes). Some hobby checklists include some or all of these cards, resulting in some checklists numbering up to 525 cards.


Hope this helps,
ChiSoxFan



Looking for T206 Sweet Caporal Fact. #30 White Sox in Poor to Fair condition.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Dave- you are right about Elberfeld.

The New York portrait shows him with blue eyes; the tougher Washington variation has brown eyes.

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Posted By: Felicia

Thank you for the checklist.
Saw and read the book via the link sent(Scot Reader)amazing wealth of knowledge.
What a great source of information. It made for an easy read and made this somewhat more understandable.

So according to the book, a "Monster" would include every card with every variation with every different back (factory/series).
6700 different cards would be almost impossible to complete.
So it reasons to say that a complete set of each players card would include all the players and the various front variations i.e. team.
While the back variations will vary based on pack it was included in as well as series and factory.
I couldn't even fathom trying to put this set together to include all the above stated variations.
I will say this, I was enlightened as to why T-206's are known as "The Set".
What an amazing collection of cards to own and relish.

Simply amazing.

One question I do have..

Do most members here who collect this set believe that the Cobb/Cobb back belong in this set? There was some question towards this in the book.

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Posted By: barrysloate

The total number of front/back combinations would be less than 6700 as many of the brands only issued a portion of the set. I think the actual number is well under 5000.

The Cobb/Cobb has been the subject of spirited debate on the board, with slightly more than half believing it should not be part of the set. The verdict is still out.

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Posted By: Dave Moriarty

I am not considered a big collector, but I don't consider the Ty Cobb back card to be part of the set.

So when they changed the eye color on the Elberfeld, which color is correct?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Good question, but I know of no resource that gives a player's eye color. It may remain a mystery.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

The Elberfeld NY version (printed in the 150/350 series) is ONLY found with BROWN eyes.

The Elberfeld Washington-portrait version (printed in the 350-only series) is usually found with BLUE eyes, depending
on this card's back.
My observations are BLUE eyes with Piedmont 350 and Sweet Caporal 350 backs.

And, tends to have BROWN eyes with an OLD MILL back.

Is there anyone else here, that can add some more inputs on this eye color variation on this card ?

TED Z

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Posted By: T206Collector

...was seeing it show up in SGC's Set Registry, which I thought was ridiculous because even if you credit it as a T206 card, it is really just a Red Portrait Cobb with an ultra-rare back.

Since I only collect the fronts, this debate has never particularly concerned me -- it's a red portrait Cobb.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Ted- I didn't know that. Interesting.