briefcase stolen. turkey reds gone

[Edward]

briefcase was stolen. Included was t3 cobb sgc40, t3 young sgc 40. please be on lookout. any advice would be most appreciated. thank you. you are a great community

[Donscards]

Originally Posted by Edward

briefcase was stolen. Included was t3 cobb sgc40, t3 young sgc 40. please be on lookout. any advice would be most appreciated. thank you. you are a great community

Was the briefcase stolen at a show or work etc. hope all works out.

[AJR]

Edward,

Sorry to hear that.

Can you provide more information?

Where was the briefcase stolen? What city? What are some of the specifics of the robbery? Was it from your home, out of your car, on the train, in an airport, the more info you share the better we can be at helping you track it down.

Also, please include if possible the SGC barcode skew numbers for specific card identification.

Thanks, sorry for your loss.

[Edward]

thanks guys. from hotel in Maryland. don't have barcode numbers. was stupid I guess

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Edward

thanks guys. from hotel in Maryland. don't have barcode numbers. was stupid I guess

These type cards are literally like fingerprints. I know you said you don't have barcodes but how about a scan?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Edward

thanks guys. from hotel in Maryland. don't have barcode numbers. was stupid I guess

Where in Maryland?

[Jobu]

Scans would be great - I will definitely keep my eyes open for you. If no scans, do you remember any distinguishing characteristics that we can look for (e.g., corners, creases, stains, ad back or checklist)?

I would also keep my eye on the local Craigslist (found my friend's stolen laptop that way) and of course, EBay and local pawn shops.

Best of luck - and sorry for your loss!

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Edward

briefcase was stolen. Included was t3 cobb sgc40, t3 young sgc 40. please be on lookout. any advice would be most appreciated. thank you. you are a great community

Did you buy them from ebay? Or an auction site? If either, you ought to be able to get their images from VCP or from the former auctions page on the auction site.

If purchased from someone you know, ask them where they got them and this may lead you to a site with scans as well.

Good luck.

jeff

[billyb]

Did you make a police report, the sooner you do that the better chance to recover them.
They will need complete descriptions/photos so they can enter the information in the police computer system.
They also have contacts with local pawn shop, who have to make all their transactions documented and sent to their local Police Departments.
But you have to do that now.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Did you buy them from ebay? Or an auction site? If either, you ought to be able to get their images from VCP or from the former auctions page on the auction site.

If purchased from someone you know, ask them where they got them and this may lead you to a site with scans as well.

Good luck.

jeff

If Jeff's advice falls short. Why not contact SGC w/ your dilemma. I just checked their pop report & they
have graded 6 Cobb & 6 Young SGC-40's
If you were the original submitter they can easily give you the cert. #'s & if you bought them from the submitter
that shouldn't be too much of a problem to get the #'s.

[gnaz01]

Most likely if not returned they will show up at auction soon. Can you give any distinguishing characteristics so we can keep an eye out if they pop up on eBay, etc??

[BruceinGa]

Best of luck, hope you find them!

[Edward]

Thank you so much guys. don't even have scans. had em cuz I loved em. cobb had slightest of paper loss. im just very sad. came from my dad.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

This seems sketchy.

[Edward]

how in the world does this seem sketchy to you mr. young prosecutor?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Edward

how in the world does this seem sketchy to you mr. young prosecutor?

These are the things that stick out most to me.

(1) You don't have a long track record on the site - 13 posts

(2) The circumstances are very odd - You were carrying very rare baseball cards in a briefcase because you like to have them with you. You left the briefcase unsecured in a hotel

(3) You are not forthcoming with your story - You didn't name the hotel or details of the "theft"

(4) There aren't any photos of the cards - no way to verify story

Feel free to prove me wrong by posting a police report.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I read him to mean he OWNED the cards because he loved them, not that that is why he had them with him in a hotel.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I read him to mean he OWNED the cards because he loved them, not that that is why he had them with him in a hotel.

Maybe he cleared that up when he filed his police report.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Since you don't believe him, what's his motive?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Since you don't believe him, what's his motive?

No idea.

[jhs5120]

A couple suggestions:
1. File a police report - this will make the process of claiming ownership of the cards easier when/if they show up again.
2. Put out a scan of the cards on the forum.
3. IMPORTANT! Register the cert. number with your SGC registry (if you do not have one, MAKE ONE!). SGC will email you when someone else tries to register your card. It probably won't be the man/woman who stole your cards, but an unsuspecting buyer.
4. If the briefcase was stolen from the cleaning staff, talk to the hotel and they will fairly easily be able to tell you who was in your room.
5. The approximate value of the cards is $5,000. You should emphasize the value to any authorities you talk to. I once had cards stolen by a maintenance worker, the matter was taken much more seriously when I brought in the amount.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

A couple suggestions:
1. File a police report - this will make the process of claiming ownership of the cards easier when/if they show up again.
2. Put out a scan of the cards on the forum.
3. IMPORTANT! Register the cert. number with your SGC registry (if you do not have one, MAKE ONE!). SGC will email you when someone else tries to register your card. It probably won't be the man/woman who stole your cards, but an unsuspecting buyer.
4. If the briefcase was stolen from the cleaning staff, talk to the hotel and they will fairly easily be able to tell you who was in your room.
5. The approximate value of the cards is $5,000. You should emphasize the value to any authorities you talk to. I once had cards stolen by a maintenance worker, the matter was taken much more seriously when I brought in the amount.

If you read what he said, he said he had no scans or serial numbers.

[obcmac]

I don't know Edward at all, but the story sounded odd to me as well. I'm not saying that there is anything going on, but more of the story would be helpful. I am not in the habit of carrying the gems of my collection around in a briefcase...also, I'm pretty sure I can dig up a scan, or a record of grading for almost all my cards...might mention the hotel in the fuller story as well. I see why there is some skepticism, but cards stolen are always a tragedy. Good luck with the recovery!

Mac Wubben

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you read what he said, he said he had no scans or serial numbers.

You know what, I caught he said he had no serial number, but didn't realize he had no scans.

Where did he get the cards? Surely the dealer has a scan, or submitted the cards to SGC and can find the serial number.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

You know what, I caught he said he had no serial number, but didn't realize he had no scans.

Where did he get the cards? Surely the dealer has a scan, or submitted the cards to SGC and can find the serial number.

He said they were his dad's. But yeah there must be some way to trace them back to someone, you would think?

[h2oya311]

+1, I thought something smelled fishy early on...but maybe I'm wrong. If they were his dad's, then either he purchased them graded or got them graded himself.

Once we have the answer to that, either SGC will help or VCP / google will help. If any are raw, then I believe the OP is SOL. Kinda hard to prove the cards were ever in your possession without scans or serial numbers!

If this isn't a scam, then I can only imagine how horrible this would be!!

[hangman62]

Hmmmm.... that's odd

[Edward]

yeah. this is sooooo odd. what am I selling? wanna debate alex? lets go

[Edward]

what in the world could you fishy smelling people think im selling here. unbelievaheckable.

[Eric72]

Ed,

If I may be permitted to ask a question...why did you have these in a briefcase at a hotel?

Not casting aspersions here, as I can think of many valid reasons...you were setting up at a card show in the hotel or nearby...traveling to spend time with a friend or family member and wanted to show them the T3 cards...showing them to a current or prospective client/customer...etc.

Additionally, someone posted that only a handful of examples in that particular grade exist. This may help track down scans, or at the very least, cert numbers. It may be an avenue you wish to explore.

Best regards,

Eric

[GoldenAge50s]

If you really want help, give the full story, not just 2-3 clip-line sentences. You give no one anything to go on so far.

[pawpawdiv9]

Sir, these guys would like to help you. But you are not giving anything for them to help with. Thats all from what i read. Theres really no way they can without any pics, serial #'s or where they were bought from.
Recently a guy got robbed (post-war) and provided in depth list and etc. Was able to recover some of them with some of these guys help and the police across many states and ebay.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

Sir, these guys would like to help you. But you are not giving anything for them to help with. Thats all from what i read. Theres really no way they can without any pics, serial #'s or where they were bought from.
Recently a guy got robbed (post-war) and provided in depth list and etc. Was able to recover some of them with some of these guys help and the police across many states and ebay.

I would help but the longer Edward handles it this way the less credible his claim looks.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I would help but the longer Edward handles it this way the less credible his claim looks.

Alex,

Yep, that sneaking suspicion.

The OP: "any advice would be most appreciated"

Many above: As much information and details as possible as to what happened.

The OP now wants to debate on whether the claim is real or not rather than provide as much information as possible?

[CardboardCollector]

Originally Posted by Edward

briefcase was stolen. Included was t3 cobb sgc40, t3 young sgc 40. please be on lookout. any advice would be most appreciated. thank you. you are a great community

Originally Posted by Edward

Thank you so much guys. don't even have scans. had em cuz I loved em. cobb had slightest of paper loss. im just very sad. came from my dad.

I do not collect graded cards, but can a SGC40 have paper loss?

[Moonlight Graham]

Ed, I have to tell you that until you provide more specifics of the crime, I am inclined to side with Alex here. I think that before you get on a forum to report your briefcase being stolen, you should have called the police, or informed the hotel management to see if they have any video that may show something. Once those matters have been taken care of, then post what happened here. Maybe you already did those things, but if you did you never said.

Joe Kemmett

[Edward]

what id be most interested in knowing is the OPs motivation to lie. what motivation could there be? please help me, and forgive my naivitee

[Moonlight Graham]

Ed, I'm not calling you a liar, but everyone needs to hear all the details and what you've done about it so far so that you can get some good advice, like you asked for.

Joe Kemmett

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Edward

what id be most interested in knowing is the OPs motivation to lie. what motivation could there be? please help me, and forgive my naivitee

So you don't want to provide info so we can help you get your cards back, you would prefer to dabble in theoretical debate?

No clue what your motive is, other than to create trouble. We are trying to help you and you are NOT answering questions that would help us help you. Give us some history on the cards. When were they purchased? When were they graded? Where in Maryland were you, what day were they stolen, why don't you have pics/scans of the cards that you love so much? If they were purchased via auction in the last 15 years we might be able to HELP you by looking online for auction photos. People have come on this board before asking for help, and since we are trying to help them, they are nice and engage in meaningful discussion and answer the questions we ask them. You know, they cooperate.

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Edward

briefcase was stolen. Included was t3 cobb sgc40, t3 young sgc 40. please be on lookout. any advice would be most appreciated. thank you. you are a great community

You also sad they the 2 Cards came from Your Dad.
We want to Help... As per Your Request.

Only You have not given us Any Information to go oN...
If You were me... How would You Help me?

You Couldn't, I'd didn't give You Any Pertinent Information for You to Help me!
So I guess I'm Right where I Started... I don't know anything...

Edward... Honestly, If You Really came here for Help, Then Spill the Beans!

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by Edward

what id be most interested in knowing is the OPs motivation to lie. what motivation could there be? please help me, and forgive my naivitee

Some people lie when they're on the internet to create drama. Some people lie to get attention. Some people lie because they're trolls. Some people lie because they have mental issues.

[Econteachert205]

So I'm curious as is everyone why the op had his t3s in his briefcase at a hotel. Could be something innocuous ie:

I wanted to bring the cards to work to show my boss, then on the way grabbed a drink at a hotel bar and got robbed

Or something more sinister:

I had to bring collateral to show the bookie I could pay if need be then I got robbed. Or I was going to pawn these cards temporarily for a fix, then I got robbed.

Or a combination of the two:

After showing my buddies at work my cool cards I went to meet a hooker at a hotel. The pimp met me there and proceeded to rob me of my cards.


I am enjoying this choose your own adventure thread! Whatever the reason I still hope he gets those cards back

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by Edward

briefcase was stolen. Included was t3 cobb sgc40, t3 young sgc 40. please be on lookout. any advice would be most appreciated. thank you. you are a great community

Guys: I'm not a detective by trade but I have dealt with this in my line of work. The VERY first post raised a red flag in my mind. There are absolutely no details whatsoever. No sentence structure either. If this really happened I would think maybe: " To all on NET54, on 11/XX/2014, a brown briefcase was stolen from my room at the Hilton in XXXX. I was in town to ______ and these cards were very special to me. "

or something like that. There is so much documentation out there also that it would be very difficult not to know the serial #rs. If you got them on ebay, look the item up. If you got them from SGC well.....how hard is that?

Not buying it. New guy wants a bit of sympathy or just fishing for thrills or whatever. I applaud those who actually brought up this point to begin with because we all want to help if this really happened.

peace, mike

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

So I'm curious as is everyone why the op had his t3s in his briefcase at a hotel. Could be something innocuous ie:

I wanted to bring the cards to work to show my boss, then on the way grabbed a drink at a hotel bar and got robbed

Or something more sinister:

I had to bring collateral to show the bookie I could pay if need be then I got robbed. Or I was going to pawn these cards temporarily for a fix, then I got robbed.

Or a combination of the two:

After showing my buddies at work my cool cards I went to meet a hooker at a hotel. The pimp met me there and proceeded to rob me of my cards.


I am enjoying this choose your own adventure thread! Whatever the reason I still hope he gets those cards back

I'm hoping for a Scarface like drug deal gone wrong.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

Guys: I'm not a detective by trade but I have dealt with this in my line of work. The VERY first post raised a red flag in my mind. There are absolutely no details whatsoever. No sentence structure either. If this really happened I would think maybe: " To all on NET54, on 11/XX/2014, a brown briefcase was stolen from my room at the Hilton in XXXX. I was in town to ______ and these cards were very special to me. "

or something like that. There is so much documentation out there also that it would be very difficult not to know the serial #rs. If you got them on ebay, look the item up. If you got them from SGC well.....how hard is that?

Not buying it. New guy wants a bit of sympathy or just fishing for thrills or whatever. I applaud those who actually brought up this point to begin with because we all want to help if this really happened.

peace, mike

Yeah, I had that exact reaction when I read the first post.

[frankbmd]

Lateral thinking is required on this one.

I suspect the briefcase was locked because of the valuables within. Therefore the thief was interested in the briefcase and had no knowledge of the contents. The briefcase was made of fine leather, either black or brown. A three digit code or a key would be required to open the case. If the thief had the wherewithal and time a total of 1000 three digit codes could be tried and the case could be opened safely. He would then gain access to the case. I suspect that he knew what might be in the case and was interested in the classified documents rather than cardboard. If the thief was in a hurry, a crowbar was probably used to crack the case and obtain the documents. I therefore conclude that the Turkey Reds are essentially a red herring in this drama and can be found in a dumpster behind the Motel 6 in Ocean City, Maryland.
I could be wrong, but if there is a board member in the vicinity of Ocean City, let me know what you find.

[BruceinGa]

I can see it now, all dumpsters in Md with two or three sports card collectors up to their waists in trash!

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by BruceinGa

I can see it now, all dumpsters in Md with two or three sports card collectors up to their waists in trash!

That might be necessary since most of the Maryland hotels have had an "Ed" registered this week.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Lateral thinking is required on this one.

I suspect the briefcase was locked because of the valuables within. Therefore the thief was interested in the briefcase and had no knowledge of the contents. The briefcase was made of fine leather, either black or brown. A three digit code or a key would be required to open the case. If the thief had the wherewithal and time a total of 1000 three digit codes could be tried and the case could be opened safely. He would then gain access to the case. I suspect that he knew what might be in the case and was interested in the classified documents rather than cardboard. If the thief was in a hurry, a crowbar was probably used to crack the case and obtain the documents. I therefore conclude that Turkey Reds are essentially a red herring in this drama and can be found in a dumpster behind the Motel 6 in Ocean City, Maryland.
I could be wrong, but if there is a board member in the vicinity of Ocean City, let me know what you find.

Espionage - I don't know why I didn't think of it sooner.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Lateral thinking is required on this one.

I suspect the briefcase was locked because of the valuables within. Therefore the thief was interested in the briefcase and had no knowledge of the contents. The briefcase was made of fine leather, either black or brown. A three digit code or a key would be required to open the case. If the thief had the wherewithal and time a total of 1000 three digit codes could be tried and the case could be opened safely. He would then gain access to the case. I suspect that he knew what might be in the case and was interested in the classified documents rather than cardboard. If the thief was in a hurry, a crowbar was probably used to crack the case and obtain the documents. I therefore conclude that the Turkey Reds are essentially a red herring in this drama and can be found in a dumpster behind the Motel 6 in Ocean City, Maryland.
I could be wrong, but if there is a board member in the vicinity of Ocean City, let me know what you find.

Motel 6 "leaves the light on" so the surveillance footage might prove useful. Of course, in order to keep rates down, they haven't upgraded the security system and they haven't been able to get the tape out of the VCR since 1998.