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NY Daily News Artcile
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Big article in today's paper about Plancich's war against the authenticity of The Streak bat. Adam Warshaw is quoted, along with mention of this forum, as well. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Interesting read, to say the least. It's also interesting that because of Robert's action, Bushing will now disclose if he is the owner of something he authenticated. Hell, this shouldn't even be happening. Anything he owns should be authenticated independently. That's like an eBay seller authenticating his find of grandpa's cards in the attic with an uncatalogued set of cards. |
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Posted By: PASJD
I don't recall knowing Robert had been sued before reading this article. Did he tell us? If not I wonder why he chose not to. I would be very interested to know what the causes of action are (some sort of trade libel?) and what relief H and B is seeking. How will H and B prove Robert's remarks are "defamatory" which I presume they would need to in order to prevail on any cause of action? Will Dave Bushing come into court and testify the bat is in fact what he authenticated it to be even though he happened to omit to mention that he had an ownerhsip interest in it? Will 93 year old Tommy Henrich testify? As the opening line in Evita goes (Joe P. hope you appreciate the Broadway reference), oh what a circus, oh what a show. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I think Adam's quote in the article sums it up pretty good, H&B isn't interested in the truth, they are only interested in shutting him up. Hopefully, CA's SLAPP law will apply and H&B will get a beat down for it. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The causes of actions I'm sure will be based in the alleged damage to business relations or simply libel. Regardless, even if Plancich is 100 percent wrong, the fact that Bushing didn't reveal his ownership of the bat is disgraceful. I guess greed and venality get in the way of honesty every time. |
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Posted By: PASJD
His non-disclosure surely was a "mistake." After all, he said he was appreciative that Robert had pointed it out. Don't ya believe 'im? |
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Posted By: leon
As I oft say lately, in many different instances and venues, "the truth stands on it's own"..."timelessly".....regards all |
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Posted By: Josh Evans
H&B should be ashamed of themselves |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Well, I have a stump of wood here that I am willing to authenticate as the wood that grew the bat that Black Betsy came from. I also have some paper here that I am willing to authenticate is actually United States currency. So what's the problem? Bushing is a fraudster, plain and simple. A lie of omission is a lie, period. I would also direct him to hire a lawyer and sue me for this scandalous comment. I have my own law firm and would love to rip his ass in a videotaped deposition.... |
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Posted By: leon
hook, hook, jab, jab, left hook........ |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Jeff, you can actually use that paper as currency if someone is willing to take it. There is no govermental restriction on who can make money. It's all a matter of whether anyone will accept it. The only restriction is that you cannot forge or copy government made money. Down South, there is a regional currency that is used in a lot of small towns. Just saw the story on TV a few weeks ago. Was really interesting. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Living in Louisville and having some connections around, I've heard about a number of things involving Rex Bradley and others and many of the larger auction houses (few are immune.....). Clandestine sales of bats, documents, etc.....large sums of money changing hands for items sold not only in auctions but also behind the scenes to collectors. Guess the exponential growth of this stuff in the 1980's/1990's enabled some folks out there who might have engaged in some less than 'honorable' business practices. Unfortunately for H&B, their lack of control of their own 'treasures' cost them dearly......... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Well, Jay, bartering is also a form of currency exchange but one cannot claim that toilet paper is United States issued currency even if someone would take it (although one can write a check on toilet paper and have it properly cashed). At least when Collectors Universe sells PSA graded cards, the relationship is out in the open. For Bushing to not reveal his link to the Streak bat is absolutely incredible. Even if Plancich is wrong on every thing he has ever said, Bushing's behavior was worse. At least Plancich isn't making any cash off his comments. |
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Posted By: PASJD
Jeff has put his finger on the issue. There are two types of misrepresentations. The more obvious one is saying something is true when you know that it is false, or you don't really know one way or another. The more subtle, but equally insidious, one is failing to disclose a fact that would be material to the buyer's decision. Surely the fact that the same guy who has "authenticated" a bat has an ownership interest in it is material. Surely the fact that a card has been "cleaned" or "stabilized" to the point that it looks completely different from the card that was consigned to the auction house is material. Surely the fact that a prominent auction house has an ongoing relationship with an "outside conservator" is material. I suspect the outright lies still occur, but what has become increasingly apparent to me is that fraud is being committed via the non-disclosure/"omission" route as well. And I don't expect it to change either. Power, and money, corrupt. Deny, deny, deny. Oh, and when someone stands up to you? Sue them. |
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Posted By: Jason
I always figured Robert was doing a good... |
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Posted By: Paul
Reading Josh's post, it is amazing to me to think that the world's best source of unquestionably authentic H&B bats effectively traded a large portion of those bats for a single bat that has at best questionable authenticity. Irony aside, shouldn't they be suing Bushing, rather than Robert? |
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Posted By: John Basilone
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Posted By: dennis
i agree w/jason& paul, if it was my $350k i'd be looking into hiring a lawyer to sue the seller/authenticator and thanking robert,but i guess h&b's motive is money. they must think they can make plenty by getting people to pay to see "the bat" thinking it's joe dimag's genuine "dave bushing says so streak bat". gee it's funny how ol dave never thought of conflict of interest til robert kindly pointed it out to him. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, Dave Bushing sounds real sincere when he claims that Plancich has been helpful. About as sincere as a fox in a henhouse. Bushing and his slimy ilk are about as believeable as a WWE championship wrestling "match": everything is predtermined based upon maximum financial gain. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Anyone that can help Robert out with this should do all they can. I sent Robert copies of an article I used for my research and a copy of Cramer's DiMaggio bio. This is clearly an organized attempt, by more than just H&B to silence Robert. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Let's not forget, H&B has a vested interest in Mr Bushing since, if I remember correctly, he is the only person that has access to H&B manufacture and sales records. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Bushing's statement that he will inform prospective clients when he has authenticated something he is selling is beyond outrageous. A major authenticator should never ever be in the business of selling and authenticating his own material. The disclosure is worthless. If he is in fact an expert authenticator, and I believe he knows his stuff, then he must irrevocably get out of the selling business. It's one or the other, but not both. Could you imagine PSA setting up at the the National to sell PSA graded baseball cards? They would be out of business in a heartbeat. That's what Alan Hager used to do with his ASA graded cards, and people know where he was at. If collectors can't see the egregious conflict here than they are setting themselves up to be swindled at some point down the road. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
So Alan Haeger has the same reputation in sports cards that he has in coins huh? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I remember him from the coin business and he was forced to leave there and baseball cards was the natural progression for his nefarious dealings. He since left this business and god only knows what he is scheming today. |
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Posted By: Richard Dwyer
eBay, what else! |
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Posted By: Judge Dred
"Game used" and "autograph authentication"? |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I was asked to comment by the reporter and I did. |
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Posted By: MW
"This appears to be an attempt to shut up a critic of the industry," says Dennis Esken, the nation's foremost glove expert. "What Robert is doing is good for the hobby. It's just not good for their business." |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Could you imagine PSA setting up at the the National to sell PSA graded baseball cards? They would be out of business in a heartbeat. |
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Posted By: MW
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Posted By: PASJD
I knew PSA had a subsidiary/affiliate that ran auctions, but I always assumed the cards were consignments and not cards in which PSA or Superior or Greg Bussineau had a direct ownership interest. Perhaps I was naive? Now if they were in effect grading and selling their own cards, not to mention publishing a highly influential price guide, well, that is "interesting." |
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Posted By: MW
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Posted By: PASJD
I guess the apologists would say "nobody's perfect" and "stop bashing PSA." What used to bother me about PSA was their old practice of handing out "bumps" to dealers at shows, given that "bumping" a card is in effect an admission that it was improperly graded the first time. While I am sure some of the cards were not egregiously overgraded in their new slabs, it seemed unfair given the obvious favoritism involved. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Big difference re PSA/Superior. It was public information that the two were linked-unlike Bushing who just figured that he was given a money tree and why not abuse the public in order to pad his pockets. If Bushing were an executive in a publicly traded corporation, he'd be fired for self-dealing; if he were a lawyer he'd be brought up on ethics charges. Because he is in an unregulated industry, he can flap his gums to a reporter like a schmuck and claim to be above the very fray that his borderline criminal behavior caused. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Superior was affiliated with CU well before CU became CU. I knew one of the guys who did buying for PSA and he would run around shows with a fat checkbook buying up all of the high end examples of cards in PSA 7's and PSA 8's. I know this because I was in possession of plenty of them. I suspect those cards were all bumped. |
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Posted By: John Basilone
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Posted By: Paul
A grading company that grades its own cards is bad. But an authenticator who authenticates his own stuff is far worse. The most a grading company can do is overgrade by one or two grades. Anything more extreme would be easily noticed and the grader would quickly lose all credibility. But an authenticator can take the FAKE and deem it REAL. |
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Posted By: MW
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Grading companies are placing altered cards in graded holders all of the time either by lack of experience or alterations getting so good that they get buy what ever examination is being done. The public knows this yet people still collect and submit. The impact of this awareness has not had any adverse impact on their revenues or number of submissions. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
My feeling has long been that all that matters with an LOA is the accuracy of the opinion. There are people with conflicts of interest who give good judgements, and there are people with no conflicts of interst who have no idea what they are talking about. |
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Posted By: MW
Hillerich and Bradsby's lawsuit against Robert alleges the following: |
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Posted By: steve
The kin folk said I outta get outta there so I loaded up my old Gehrig bat in the truck and headed in here. again, baseball nuts, shady dealings, you all come back now...Banjo takes me out..........
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Posted By: Joe P.
You are lumping slabheads and collectors together. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I am a COLLECTOR. However, I like to get most of my cards in my collection slabbed. I do this for two reasons - 1) I think it protects the cards better and looks nice for display, 2) Sometimes I have to sell cards in order to purchase other cards for my collection (slabbed cards are much easier to sell). |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
I suppose I should have qualified what I wrote. I agree that some collectors do not buy graded cards or submit to grading companies. Those people are few and far between but they do exist. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I have little knowledge about baseball bats, have seen scant evidence from either side and simply do not know what is or isn't the bat. I hope people aren't taking sides who share my lack of knowledge. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
Most slabheads - and I said it taking into consideration the good reasons that you have given. |
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Posted By: Joe P.
I haven't sided with anyone in the issue |
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Posted By: Scott
This is one of the best threads I've seen on the board in a while, with all points of view (including the emotional uninformed) represented just fine. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Case Number: GC034663. One cause of action: intentional interference with prospective advantage. |
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