Beckett Grading Question

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I've noticed that Beckett will slab just about anything and I'm wondering if they will encapsulate trimmed and/or skinned OJ's. Anyone know?

I wish SGC would...I don't see the problem with slabbing a skinned/trimmed OJ with an "Authentic" label.

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Posted By: Rob D.

I don't know the answer to your question, Dan, but the other day I saw an old judge in a Beckett holder. Not an Old Judge card, but literally an old judge. (It presented nicely except for a few surface wrinkles.)



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Posted By: Dan Bretta

It wasn't Frank Wakefield was it?

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Posted By: Rob D.

That would be the ultimate irony, wouldn't it?

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Posted By: Mark Anderson

Hi Dan,

Yes, we could encapsulate a skinned Old Judge. We make a distinction in that we will encapsulate cards that are undoctored but legitimate as "Authentic" (usually low grade or people just want them holdered without a numerical grade), while tampered legitimate cards will be slabbed as "Authentic-Altered".

In this case, your card would receive the "Authentic-Altered" label.

Mark

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Thank you Mark! That's what I was hoping to hear.

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Posted By: Mark Anderson

For the record; while we are indeed willing to slab up "just about anything", we have not yet encapsulated any of the following:

* Motor vehicles
* The pink gum from Topps wax packs
* Mr. Mint Bobblehead dolls, or
* Keith Richards

I'm not sure which judge we got in a slab, but it's safe to say he won't be breaking out of the holder anytime soon

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Mark, what does Beckett charge for grading postcards...I didn't see it on your site.

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Posted By: Mark Anderson

Standard fees, plus an $8 surcharge on items larger than 3.5" x 5.25".

Thanks,
Mark

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Posted By: Frank L.

Hello Dan

I have had some trimmed E cards and T206's encapsulated by SGC. I assume they would also encapsulate trimmed Old Judges.

Does anyone know?

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Frank, I've asked before if SGC would encapsulate a skinned OJ and have been told they will not. I think they will encapsulate trimmed cards because they believe my Kid Nichols is trimmed (I do not) and they encapsulated that.

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Posted By: jay wolt

Glad that Beckett will slab a skinned card.
Both SGC & PSA rejected this skinned Buchners
that I bought on N54 B/S/T as a skinned card.
GAI who will encapsulate anything obliged to slab it.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I guess I just don't understand why a grading company wouldn't slab a skinned card...There seems to be no rhyme or reason to what they will and will not put in a holder.

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Posted By: Steve F

Dan, Beckett will do it. Email; manderson@beckett.com

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Posted By: Steve

It would be to the hobby's benefit if they did that is for sure.


Steve

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Posted By: Fred C

I don't see anything wrong with grading services encapsulating skinned cards as long as they document the alteration (SKINNED) on the LABEL. You know that there will be people selling encapsulated material that is skinned and the seller will not reveal the reason for the AUTH designation. The buyer may not like skinned material but the seller (ok, a bad seller) could indicate that it was "professionally graded" (the biggest misconception in our hobby) and therefore not covered under their refund policy.

The hobby should take a stand and let the grading services know that they should SET A STANDARD. If the card is AUTHENTIC then put AUTH on the label. If it is ALTERED then put ALT-Type of alteration on the label For example, "ALT-Skinned" or "ALT-Trimmed". If there is paper loss then label it "AUTH-P.L.". What's so hard about that? I don't think grading companies should assign numeric grades. Leave that out of the equation and let the actual eye appeal of the card dictate the price (kind of like it used to be). One collectors Ex-Mt is another collectors Vg-Ex.

It's pretty pathetic right now because PSA is really bad about following their grading criteria on centering. For example, they can't even provide a fixed number on centering for a PSA7 card. Look at their web site:

Centering must be approximately 70/30 to 75/25

Why not just say it must be 75/25 or better. On top of that if the card is 80/20 it can still get a FULL PSA7 grade. The moron grader will just say that the other attributes of the card warrant the grade. Horse crap.

Does anyone really think they break out the calipers to determine centering? I doubt it. This is what makes grading a joke to some. This is why the grading services should leave the determination of value up to the true collectors and not some stupid number that some idiot assigns to it.

This is just my opinion (yet again) and my apologies to those that believe in registry sets and wanting to have the HIGHEST rated set on the planet, even if someone else may actually have a better set (that isn't encapsulated in plastic).




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