Warning: SGC - A Factory Miscut = Miscut = "A" Grade

[Marslife]

Hey Fellas!

I received my SGC submission ($25 level) back before the estimated return time! Great news. Bad news was out of the 22 cards SGC determined 6 were factory Miscut/Trimmed. They basically told me that a factory miscut on a T201, T202 and T206 American Beauty are deemed miscuts and are not eligible for numerical grades!

I have amassed a large collection of T201z and have handle many, if you are familiar with this set they are notoriously factory miscut and many in my Master set are super nice factory Miscuts with numerical grades from SGC. Apparently, they will no longer be eligible for a numerical technical grade!?! Same with the T202z which also have typical funky factory cuts and the T206 American Beauties?!?

I am a small fish in the grading game with only about 100 cards per year to SGC but I have been a fan for a long time (customer #129). This is disappointing news. I wanted to give you all a heads up if you were poised to send a factory miscut to SGC at $75 it will come back as an “A.”

Please note that the three example photos are all “factory Miscuts” as the wear along the edges were commensurate with age and handling. None are “after Market” trimmed. The T206 AB has been in a GAI holder for probably 15 years…

Just wanted to give you all a heads up.

When I asked for an explanation and a statement that I should not see any T206 AB cards with an “New” numerical grade, here is the response I got:

Hello Clifford,

When our graders determine a card to bear evidence of trimming or to have been miscut, they designate the card an "A" for "Authentic", as those cards are not eligible for numeric grades. The definition of "miscut" is contextual and varies between issues. Our graders are the foremost experts in the industry and we stand behind their determinations.

If you need anything else please let me know


Brent Martin
Collector Support
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800.742.9212
www.gosgc.com


Thank You..
Clifford Franklin
SGC customer #129

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[wazoo]

Just had the same issue

[glynparson]

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

On what grounds, Glyn? That AB Street is off center, no doubt; but certainly appears to be full sized. But why, after thirty years of assigning numerical grades to off center and even miscut cards, is this no longer worthy of a number grade? PSA would (usually) assign a qualifier, while SGCs practice would generally have been to reduce the number grade. If this is indeed a change in policy, SGC owes us a far more detailed explanation than they gave Cliff. In my view, a far more likely explanation is inexperience and incompetence.

[Chesbro41]

SGC is "Authentic" happy. I got this one in, pretty sure it's full size/no paper loss with some beat up/compressed corners. Also had a Zeenut full size come back trimmed because it was missing the coupon (I believe). So they either have new graders that are learning or are hyper aware of all the trimming going on and have maybe tightened up too far.

It's hard as a vintage collector to send in cards full size for 25-75 bucks a pop and have them come back this way when there are thousands in the market with numbers on them. These vintage cards just weren't kept the same. If a card was trimmed and not meant to be hand cut it should 100% be A, but this is a whole new ballgame they are playing. They need refunds or qualifiers.

[tedzan]

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

Completely disagree. They made a bad decision.
And I agree with Ed. It is nothing more than the incompetence that soured me on them.

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[Ronnie73]

It's as if they are looking at miscuts as a type of Scrap card which always gets an "A" from SGC. My legit T206 Scraps from PSA come back as Authentic Altered. I wish they'd at least put Authentic No Print since that's how they are listed in their population report.

Both companies claim to be experts in the topic of sportscards and memorabilia but sometimes it's as if they have no idea what they are looking at. Then it's identified wrong, added to their population report wrong, adding unneeded stress to the collector, additional down time for the item if they even agree to fix the mistake or modify the label and population report correctly. But with the cost of the grading and the amount of time they have your cards, you'd think everything would be done correctly without having to ask for something to be done correctly. Maybe it matters who you are and how much business you do with them. I've put off grading for the last ten years, waiting for the right reason and deal to have everything done. Until then, it sure makes storing them much easier.

15 plus years ago, I sent PSA 5 cards to be graded as part of the bonus when signing up for the membership. 4 of the 5 cards came back graded and labeled correctly. I contacted them and they said they'd fix the problem, but I haven't bothered yet. So one of my 1984 Topps Mattingly's is labeled as a Tiffany when it isn't. I don't like problems, and usually fix everything myself. I hate getting anyone else involved in my problems. I've always been that way, with the mindset of, if you want something done right, you got to do it yourself. The only problem I've run into is doing surgery on myself when I need to be under anesthesia. But I'm sure to prep everyone in the operating room from what IV needle to use, the vein and exact location of entry, angle, and depth. The meds and the order, incision locations and what extras to expect that are not in the general book. They either love me or hate to see me. My most often used quote when dealing with doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and everyone in between is "I shouldn't be right this many times about things, it's not my job to be right at your job, I've got 10+ other jobs to be right about." I'm even more concerned about the other patients that don't know any better and I'm in the next bed over, observing and listening. I've had to open my mouth multiple times because something was about to be done wrong. I've even literally been in arguments with the complete chain of command in a hospital about a medication that was labeled and boxed wrong, spending a full day trying to get someone to listen to me while demanding every level of employment until someone finally contacted the manufacture and found out the wrong medication was labeled, packed, boxed, and shipped to who knows how many hospitals around the country and then them trying to track all of it and who ended up getting the wrong thing throughout the country. I got a few visits from what looked to be high level payed people, asking how I knew it was wrong, even when the computers and everyone else promised it was right. A couple of those people even asked what my favorite foods were, during conversation. I had prime rib and lobster for dinner in the hospital a couple nights during my stay. When I hear that someone got sick with something new to them, I tell them to educate yourself as much as you possibly can and pay attention to everything and ask lots of questions. Sorry for the rant everyone lol By the way, I'm a certified auto technician and electrician. Not a surgeon but have recommendations by many people in the medical field. I just don't enjoy being around sick people because I don't like to see people suffer.

[Roland 49]

Hello, now I show you the rarest cards of the "Aguilitas Artistic Series" these are the "Pre-Aguiitas" I gave them that name and this is how it appears in my catalog because these cards appeared in the cigarette packs of propaganda to the series that It would come out weeks later, the cards on the front are the same portrait, but behind appears the propaganda of the series and its numbers according to the theme, very few of these were made and it is very rare to find any, I have only seen these in the series of baseball cards, in the photo we see the pack of cigarettes, and the card of Alejandro Oms, and its two backs.

[Roland 49]

Please excuse me for those who see this thread, I was wrong and I put the message here. Roland49.

[perezfan]

Incredible card and great post, regardless. What a rare and exceptional card!