eBay Seller Return Scam

[sportscomicfantasy]

I don't blame you for going after non-graded cards and it seems like you have done well with it in the past. If you end up losing on this one, it doesn't seem like from what your saying it will kill you financially. Like a previous comment, I don't like to see the scammer win, so I wish you luck in getting your money back. Ebay should side with you, but... I am thinking someone like this will take scans of another fake and send it to them to show you sent a different card back to him.

In the future, I would scan the card before you send it back if you have a problem with another card in the future. You deal in much more expensive cards than I do, so I might even take a video of packaging the item and addressing it to send it back. Just a thought...

As for what to do, I agree with trying Ebay first, Paypal second, and then the mail fraud. Or you could try emailing the guy and just state what you're going to do and see if you can get him to cave. He might not care about his Ebay account but having a record on his Paypal account he may not like. Also, I know from experience having a person do a Paypal dispute with me, put a hold on that amount of money in my Paypal account until it was resolved before I had more sales.(I sold a graded card and the guy sent it off to be grade by another company and it came back altered and he filed against me but I won as I should have) I would file a police report as well but doubt it would do much, but I still would.

I wish you luck.

[chalupacollects]

Would let the seller know you are filing with postal inspectors. Typically they don't mess around...

[vintagetoppsguy]

USPS should offer a paid service where you can open the package in front of one of their employees and they can document the contents. That way there is never any question about what was received.

If you buy an expensive item and you want to make sure you receive the exact item you purchased, you could use this service.

If you sell an expensive item and you want to make sure the buyer doesn't claim they received a different item than you sold, you could use this service.

It would protect the buyer and the seller.

It would be like any other postal service, paid at the time of postage. The recipient of the package would receive a note/email saying they have a package at the post office and would go in person to open the package and document its contents. Anyway, just a thought, but I believe it would stop a lot of the fraud.

[drcy]

I mailed a really expensive item once (a ring) where the UPS person checked the contents. Was no expert on rings so not an authentication service, but verified that it appeared to match up with the description.

[Kleepernop]

Thank you all for the advice. I was able to get my money back.

Long story short I was finally able to talk to EBay’s high value claims person. PM me and I’ll give the details of how to do that if your want to know. Anyway, and I speculate here, it looks like eBay saw my long and honest history, an forced the hand of the scamming seller.

PayPal was helpful and told me I could file a claim with them as well. I figured my best bet was with eBay first. I didn’t get much momentum with the police or USPS. I figured that would be the case but at least it made me feel better! I did get to tell the cop how much her work is appreciated despite the other BS in the world. She appreciated that.

So all in all, my loss was a lot of time and being out $4.5k for over a month, but it ended OK. I love the hobby, and will continue investing (that is the word I use to justify it to my wife!!). But I will remember this scam and think one more time before buying.


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[Seven]

Originally Posted by Kleepernop

Thank you all for the advice. I was able to get my money back.

Long story short I was finally able to talk to EBay’s high value claims person. PM me and I’ll give the details of how to do that if your want to know. Anyway, and I speculate here, it looks like eBay saw my long and honest history, an forced the hand of the scamming seller.

PayPal was helpful and told me I could file a claim with them as well. I figured my best bet was with eBay first. I didn’t get much momentum with the police or USPS. I figured that would be the case but at least it made me feel better! I did get to tell the cop how much her work is appreciated despite the other BS in the world. She appreciated that.

So all in all, my loss was a lot of time and being out $4.5k for over a month, but it ended OK. I love the hobby, and will continue investing (that is the word I use to justify it to my wife!!). But I will remember this scam and think one more time before buying.


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If there is one thing I've learned from being on here briefly, it's that for big purchases, try to limit yourself to buying from only the most reliable sources possible and always cover your bases when it comes to dropping significant money on a card.

[sportscomicfantasy]

Originally Posted by Kleepernop

Thank you all for the advice. I was able to get my money back.

Long story short I was finally able to talk to EBay’s high value claims person. PM me and I’ll give the details of how to do that if your want to know. Anyway, and I speculate here, it looks like eBay saw my long and honest history, an forced the hand of the scamming seller.

PayPal was helpful and told me I could file a claim with them as well. I figured my best bet was with eBay first. I didn’t get much momentum with the police or USPS. I figured that would be the case but at least it made me feel better! I did get to tell the cop how much her work is appreciated despite the other BS in the world. She appreciated that.

So all in all, my loss was a lot of time and being out $4.5k for over a month, but it ended OK. I love the hobby, and will continue investing (that is the word I use to justify it to my wife!!). But I will remember this scam and think one more time before buying.


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Soooo glad it worked out for you and thanks for letting us know about it!

[iwantitiwinit]

Buying a raw card for $4200 sight unseen. Nuff said.

[MikeGarcia]

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"Long story short I was finally able to talk to EBay’s high value claims person." :::

.."high-value claims"------ to some of us out here , getting openly cheated out of $99.00 classifies as a high-value scam..... E-Bay doesn't seem to have a person for the rest of us ??


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[Jewish-collector]

I'm a very low end buyer, so I would get upset if it happened to me with a $20 card.

If I was ever to buy something valued at 4K, I would certainly buy it from a reputable auction house. Am I correct with that statement ?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

I'm a very low end buyer, so I would get upset if it happened to me with a $20 card.

If I was ever to buy something valued at 4K, I would certainly buy it from a reputable auction house. Am I correct with that statement ?

There's more than a few people on here, that I wouldn't have a problem buying from!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Seven

There's more than a few people on here, that I wouldn't have a problem buying from!

+1....probably thousands of transactions on our BST that are in the multi thousand dollar range. I have done a lot of them myself. If you do just a little bit of research on your trading partner this is a very safe place to transact in the hobby.

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