Post War baseball card forum (tab) on Net54 ?

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Posted By: Wesley

I think everyone is getting a little carried away here. Before we make any rash decisions, we should probably ask Peter Chao whether he is comfortable posting about modern cards on a separate forum.

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Posted By: Craig H

A post-war forum would be nice as I collect 1950s-70s Topps(in addition to pre-war). Somewhere in the style of this one. It's focused, which makes it easy to navigate what you want to read about.

Collectors Universe has a vintage forum that covers 1880s-1980s??, but they put the B/S/T together with the discussion forum--that and it covers all sports. The focus is too broad.

Beckett's forums, from what I've seen pretty much caters to really modern stuff. Post-2000.

Craig

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Posted By: Richard Masson

A natural cutoff may be 1973, the last year cards were issued in series.

Even more important is that people who find the new board using a search engine may be enticed to link back to this site and become interested in the real stuff!

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Posted By: CN

I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT WITH THE CUTOFF 1980. CN

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Posted By: peter ullman

good idea...the logical cutoff dates would be either 1973...or 1979. I prefer 1973!

pete ullman

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Posted By: JimB

I like the idea of post-war baseball on here as a separate area. I agree that a cutoff would be needed. 1973, as Richard suggested would be good as a natural - it being the ends of series. 1980 would also be a natural since in was the end of the Topps monopoly and the beginning of the decline IMHO.
JimB

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

1989 is also a natural cut-off date because Upper Deck came out with the first so-called premium card set. Also, Upper Deck was also the first major companies to recognize that baseball cards had become big business and inserted holograms on their cards to protect against counterfeiting.

Peter C.

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Posted By: quan

peter chao for mod of post-war board, ldo!

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Posted By: Ricky Y

1973 was what I was thinking too...the last of the cards issued in series by Topps..and funny the first year I seriously started my card collection.

Ricky Y

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

Missed this thread-1980 is good cutoff I think.

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Posted By: E, Daniel

Agree with post-war board concept, 79' year cutoff.


Daniel

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Posted By: leon

My techy guy is unavailable till after the National so after that, unless we hear of something that would be a show stopper, we will probably give this a go. My thought is that the new Post War cards section 1946-1979 will get enough responses that we will make it, it's own section (tab). I am going to work with Brian on trying to figure out a way to make the memorabilia section into 2 seperate sections under that one tab....and the other section will be for all other vintage sports cards ie... boxing, football, hockey etc.....The memorabilia section only gets about 1-5 new threads a day so that is my reasoning there.....We will always listen to feedback...and thanks so far for the suggestions....I/we are only trying to improve the site for our members....There will be another feature added later too but more to come on that.......regards

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Posted By: Paul S

I'd be an active participant in a post-war forum, particulary up to about 1970 or so. In fact it's previously occured to me to ask about starting one, because I usually feel somewhat guilty about the few post-war cards I've posted here (and I must admit that the recent Musial thread excited me!) It wouldn't prevent me from any partipation here.

I'll gladly help moderate. Who knows whether it will take off or not, as sometimes I wonder why I can't find something comparable to this one that suits me. Worth a shot, IMO.

My personal preference for cutoff would be about 1970, although I'd go as late as 1979 to accomodate others. Anything after that is what turns me off about other like boards, too much to sift through -- it's a lot of build-up.

*edit to add last paragraph

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Leon,

Almost everyone says 1969 or 1979 or somewhere in-between.

Why don't you have a vote with the choices being 1969, 1973 or 1979?

Jim

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Posted By: Zinn

1979

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Posted By: leon

Good thought.....I will take a vote before we put the tab for the new forum up, if we go forward.....I was saying 1979 because that is what the consensus was looking like...but if it's another year then that's fine too...I would only marginally participate so it's really up to those that are going to be participating.....at least that is how I feel about it now...Just like on the memorabilia side... I really left a lot of it up to the members....regards

ps...as far as moderating I appreciate any offers but Brian and I will probably start out doing it and see how it goes....we can always modify or undo what we have done if something unexpected happens...though I doubt it will...(knock on wood)

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Posted By: Joe D.

Leon,

"all other sports" doesn't cut it for me.

I mean that in a kind but sincere way.

At shows, here on N54, and other places on the net - I have seen interest in
vintage golf
vintage boxing
vintage football

My preference would be to see these three sports have their own separate tab or message board.

I don't think anyone interested in Golf is going to want to 'have to' wade through boxing and football posts... any more than we would want to wade through those posts in a baseball forum. Separate tabs allow for keeping focus and on-topic. And it also allows us to 'willingly' as opposed to 'forcibly' take a look at other sports.

I am not sure what the benefit of clumping sports into 'other' is? Other than to not make it appealing to those who are actually interested in the 'other'.

If there was a dedicated forum for those sports... I would be more apt to visit there.

jmho.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I'll vote for 1969, and pose a question to those who suggest 1979:

What could we possibly discuss about sets from the 1970's other than pop reports? Maybe there are obscure issues that demand some attention, but Topps sets from that era kind of speak for themselves. Just my opinion.

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Posted By: leon

I am very open to the way the new one would be structured...if it would be better to have the "other sports" forum be broken down again to something like:

vintage golf
vintage boxing
vintage football
vintage other sports

I could see that happening....
My reason for "clumping" them together was merely thinking about the amount of activity they would bring. If it were 20 posts a day, in total, would it be better to have them in sub-categories? If it's anything like the pre-war forum, then yes, definitely split it up....I am open ....thanks for the suggestions....Still not 100% sure we want to try it but am leaning that way...(ok just for Quan...it's a foregone conclusion ) ....regards

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Posted By: Alan

The more I think about it, the more I definately agree with Joe. A network54 hockey forum exists, so why not have a separate forum for boxing, football, basketball, and golf. So what if each doesn't have 1000 readers - they are still all worthwhile. Maybe these forums will get new collectors interested.

Alan

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Posted By: barrysloate

How about a Seinfeld forum?

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Posted By: Joe D.

I don't think any of the other individual forums (golf, boxing, football) would get the number of posts that this baseball one does. Not nearly as much.

But - I don't think that matters much.

The opportunity here is to have targeted - dedicated areas for different vintage sports cards.
More users, more areas of interest, more things to see, more to learn, more to enjoy.

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Posted By: P Spaeth

You are forgetting cool stuff like the 74 Topps Washington National League variations.

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Posted By: P Spaeth

I thought we already had a Seinfeld forum.

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Posted By: barrysloate

In 1974 Topps thought the Padres would move to Washington, so they issued some of the cards with the Wash. designation.

There, we're done. Next topic?

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Posted By: P Spaeth

Ah but which ones, and why not Winfield's rookie?

By the way why don't 60s cards "speak for themselves" too? 50's you have interesting regional issues, oddities of player selection, etc., but 60's are kinda straightforward it seems to me.

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Posted By: Alan Elefson

I would vote for 1979 as the cutoff. I believe a lot of younger collectors view anything pre 1979 as "vintage", and some of the mid to late seventies odd ball issues and regional rarities might prove interesting reading. I believe anything past 1980 is sufficiently covered by existing boards.
Alan Elefson

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Posted By: barrysloate

Cards from the 60's have SP and DP high numbers, as well as other tougher to find cards; there are unusual print variations such as in 1962; there are rarities such as the 1967 Maris Yankees, and some very tough test issues, etc.

Not saying they will be a source of great scholarship, but that is clearly a more interesting decade and there will be questions.

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Posted By: P Spaeth

Flower power.

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Posted By: peter chao

Guys,

If we make the cut-off date 1973 or earlier, then we will only be talking about adding Bowman and Topps cards to what we already discuss. It's better to make the cut-off date later so that we can discuss Donruss, Fleer, and Score. Maybe 1988 or 1989 would be better dates.

Peter C.

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Posted By: P Spaeth

I want refractors!!!!

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Posted By: P Spaeth

Ah what I wouldn't do for some good Score and Score Traded (or was it Score Update?) talk.

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Posted By: peter chao

You sarcastic little...at any rate, talking about just Bowman and Topps card sounds pretty boring.

Peter C.

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Posted By: P Spaeth

Just Topps and Bowman? Let's see, 50s issues, hmmm. Red Man. Red Heart. Wilson Franks. Stahl Mayer. Glendale. Rodeo. Swift Meats. Probably a whole bunch of others too. Some of which are mainstream enough the SMR even lists them. Peter you need to study your card history a little.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

1979 only because it was kind of the end of an era. Plus, it may bring a few more people in, many on this board who began collecting after 1969. If nothing of much merit occurred in the late 70s then there won't be much discussion of that period anyway.

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Posted By: P Spaeth

Forget it Jeff, too boring.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Wow--there all kinds of great sets in the 50s and 60s and a lot in the 70s as well. Barry--you need to step up your knowledge base of cards from this era.

Then you have all the registry contests on psa and the battles for number one.

Jim

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Posted By: P Spaeth

I see these (admittedly somewhat arbitrary) possible cutoffs.
1957 -- last Brooklyn Dodgers/NY Giants cards.
1980 -- last Topps only year. (1981 Fleer and Donruss issued full sets.)
1992 -- last year before advent of high tech cards (1993 Topps refractors).

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Posted By: dennis

how about 1960 thats the last year of the original 16 teams.

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Posted By: Andrew

This board is unique in that it's era specific, open it up, and you're core offering becomes diluted. Moreover, the later the date range, the more you invite a crowd that's ONLY concerned with grading, what's it worth, Registry rankings, if it's centered 65/35, etc. Or God forbid, discussing the Barry Bonds and other modern player "markets." It becomes less about the game, less about the cards.

This is not the usual envy based post as I buy high dollar (relative term), grade 'em, flip 'em, etc. But there are other avenues for those topics. There's a certain rarified - sometimes pompous - air to Net54, but this seems to be price for unparalleled knowledge. I just don't want the latter to go away.

A tab for discussion up to 1980 is not the end all, and I would certainly participate as my fondest treasures are from the late '70s. However, I still vote "no."

"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim- I always love to learn new stuff.

I know my sets from 1948-67 pretty well, but know nothing about pop reports and the registry. I guess I should get into it more, I just rarely handle that material.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Barry, You are in for a whole new (exciting) world.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, if you cut out the 70s you lose Oscar Gamble's hair and Renata Galasso. For those two threads alone the extra years are worth it.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I think 1979 should be the last year included... and I love the idea!

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jeff,

The last party I had I put the cards of Oscar Gamble and the 76-77 card of Spurs all-star guard James T. Silas right next to neach other for a pick the biggest and best afro contest. Gamble's may be slightly larger but Silas's is the most out of control.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

peter- you mentioned making the cut-off 89 or 92? there is another category (that most of us don't care to talk about) and that's called "modern". i think most experts say that 1980 starts the modern era...

so i say the cut-off MUST be prior to 1980

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Posted By: Paul

I want to stay away from Refractors as much as anyone. But I do think 1979 is a better choice than 1969. In the early 70s, Topps had a bunch of obscure and interesting test issues, like the 1970 cloth stickers and candy lids, and the 1973 comics and pin ups. Maybe some will say that there's not much worth discussing about these sets -- their checklists are known, there are no variations waiting to be found. But I think you could say the same thing about 1949 Bowman PCLs. It would be interesting to see which ones people have, to see scans of them posted, and to see who is trying to complete these sets.

There are also some nice Venezuelan sets from the 70s that have nothing to do with the Topps sets of the same era.

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Posted By: Paul S

Jim -- I'll put my Don Mossis and Walt Dropos up against your Gambles and Silases.

Hey, it looks to me like we ALREADY have the post-war forum. Look at this thread -- almost 100 posts and already we have discussion, disagreements, sarcasm, tongue in cheekness and controversy. I'm waiting for the hard flamers to erupt any moment. Or does that go in the Boxing thread?

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Posted By: MVSNYC

69, 79, 73, 80, 89, etc...guys, we're starting to split hairs here...let's just get it up and running and post away...if the cut-off is 1979, i doubt anyone will get pist if someone asks a question about a ricky henderson rookie, so let's just get it up and have fun with it...

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Posted By: Andrew

Especially if the card is a 1977 Modesto Henderson.

"Take your life in your own hands and what happens? A terrible thing: no one to blame." -- Erica Jong