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[Yastrzemski Sports]

Go back and read the thread on Derek Jeter forgeries and the counterfeit auto cards that are flooding into the market.

Anything Fleer is suspect because any blanks were sold in the bankruptcy sale.

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

Go back and read the thread on Derek Jeter forgeries and the counterfeit auto cards that are flooding into the market.

Anything Fleer is suspect because any blanks were sold in the bankruptcy sale.

Ah, will do. Thanks!

[Lordstan]

The reason is not authenticity. The reason is money. Many dealers get everything certed and/or slabbed because they feel the items will either sell more quickly or for more money. period

[Huck]

The Musial card listed above is unusual in that Musial singed in blue. I have only seen signatures in black, over the 19 years since the cards were released. To some collectors a blue vs black ink is a variation (Concepcion signed in red and black in the set). So, someone purchased unsigned stock or made a replica and then had the card signed by Musial in blue ink which PSA certified? If PSA or Beckett know the card is fake they should reject the card. For the Musial above PSA states 2000 Fleer Greats and is authenticating the autograph. So, is the card official???

Oh, does this make things interesting.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

You definitely found something here. I did a quick look at the cards available on eBay. Here is a proper 2000 Auto
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That is a Stan sig from 2000 when he centered his name in the space and wrote legibly. These below look like they are from much later. Probably the last couple years of his life.
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I would think these are either reprinted cards or blanks from the bankruptcy but I find it hard to believe they are from the batch Stan signed in 2000. So the cards are slabbed to say that the autograph is real but it is not necessarily the card inserted in 2000 Greats. If that’s the case the 2000 Greats Stan Cards have to be devalued to a fraction of what they were.

Originally Posted by biohazard

The Musial card listed above is unusual in that Musial singed in blue. I have only seen signatures in black, over the 19 years since the cards were released. To some collectors a blue vs black ink is a variation (Concepcion signed in red and black in the set). So, someone purchased unsigned stock or made a replica and then had the card signed by Musial in blue ink which PSA certified? If PSA or Beckett know the card is fake they should reject the card. For the Musial above PSA states 2000 Fleer Greats and is authenticating the autograph. So, is the card official???

Oh, does this make things interesting.

[Huck]

Originally Posted by Yastrzemski Sports

You definitely found something here. I did a quick look at the cards available on eBay. Here is a proper 2000 Auto
Attachment 347970

That is a Stan sig from 2000 when he centered his name in the space and wrote legibly. These below look like they are from much later. Probably the last couple years of his life.
Attachment 347971 Attachment 347972

I would think these are either reprinted cards or blanks from the bankruptcy but I find it hard to believe they are from the batch Stan signed in 2000. So the cards are slabbed to say that the autograph is real but it is not necessarily the card inserted in 2000 Greats. If that’s the case the 2000 Greats Stan Cards have to be devalued to a fraction of what they were.

Oh, it gets even more interesting.

Check out this Berra from the same set: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yogi-Berra-...sAAOSwrndcbCiD

Steiner certifies the autograph. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Steiner would only certify an item where they witnessed the signing. The card is either a reprint or unsigned stock which was signed by Berra in blue ink. The majority of Berra 2000 Fleer GOTG cards were signed in black ink. REA mentions the possibility of third variation (Berra blue ink). It is possible that Berra signed original stock in blue ink, but why would Steiner certify the signature? I almost jumped on the card but the seller explained that due to the quantities of cards they sell, they can't guarantee I would receive the card pictured. I was afraid I would receive a Berra signed in black, which I already own.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...ter-autograph/

Versus the Musial, the Berra card looks like his standard signature. So collectors out there, is the blue signature on bankruptcy stock, part of the set? Also, why are these cards popping up four years after Yogi's death?

This is just nuts. I am trying to complete this set but now all the more expensive cards, Brett, Schmidt, Spahn, Mattingly, and Jeter will have to be questioned as to authenticity.

[Yastrzemski Sports]

The Berra card in the link is not Steiner certified. It does not have a Steiner hologram on it and the slab does not say Steiner on it. The item is falsely described - but my guess is that it is an innocent copy and paste error from the last item listed before it.

But it is interesting that the Berra is slabbed by Fanatics. So are multiple Musial autos. Fanatics is a huge company who slabs their own cards for sale. I dont know that they have professional graders or authenticators on hand as opposed to a tpg so I don't consider the card to be graded or authenticated.

I am not nearly as well versed on 2000 Greats as you are but if you haven't seen these blue autos before the last couple of years I would guess it's because they didn't sign in blue for Fleer. I would almost guarantee the Musial cards were done years later. If someone got their hands on loads of blanks and has had them signed years later the market for these cards is going to be compromised.

Originally Posted by biohazard

Oh, it gets even more interesting.

Check out this Berra from the same set: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yogi-Berra-...sAAOSwrndcbCiD

Steiner certifies the autograph. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Steiner would only certify an item where they witnessed the signing. The card is either a reprint or unsigned stock which was signed by Berra in blue ink. The majority of Berra 2000 Fleer GOTG cards were signed in black ink. REA mentions the possibility of third variation (Berra blue ink). It is possible that Berra signed original stock in blue ink, but why would Steiner certify the signature? I almost jumped on the card but the seller explained that due to the quantities of cards they sell, they can't guarantee I would receive the card pictured. I was afraid I would receive a Berra signed in black, which I already own.

https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...ter-autograph/

Versus the Musial, the Berra card looks like his standard signature. So collectors out there, is the blue signature on bankruptcy stock, part of the set? Also, why are these cards popping up four years after Yogi's death?

This is just nuts. I am trying to complete this set but now all the more expensive cards, Brett, Schmidt, Spahn, Mattingly, and Jeter will have to be questioned as to authenticity.